Lotta crazy people in the spirituality field

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

On here, the truly wise/enlightened among the folk only visit SF once in a few months.

ERM .. hello I'm here all week?

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[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by knightoflenity

ERM .. hello I'm here all week?

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LOL

I apologise for being a tad overgeneralising. There are just some on here I would like to see post more than they do because I feel they have a lot more they could share, but their meditative equanimity holds them back.

Nice that "equanimity" is catching on at last. Soon it'll be big in the New Age
Economy. Think of all the books and web pages that could be churned out
instructing us on the importance of equanimitous resonance in 6D soul connections.

Well, cod-dependency got quite big.



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Originally Posted by The Necromancer

On here, the truly wise/enlightened among the folk only visit SF once in a few months, post a sentence or two on a specific thread and then vanish again before you can say "hey, I wanna talk to you!"

So, we each have our own 'spiritual filters' that separate the 'real stuff' from all the rubbish, but what may be rubbish to one would be a gem to another at a different vibration or stage of personal growth.

I've been noticing this lately. I think I'm starting to understand why as well.

I completely agree. doesn't matter how off one person is they may resonate with another and help them progress in their own way.

It also reminds me of why some traditions forbid teaching till you progress to a certain point. because some people need to learn things that aren't necessarily true, and kind of crazy. but those things open the door for what will be truth. which otherwise would have never been able to be attained without the previous belief and knowledge leading to it.

It's no problem to me. Shrinks tend to work with social norms. That's how they decide what's crazy and not.
Once one tries to explore the individual (who may superficially act out social norms, maybe not) there's no benchmark so what's normal and not is beyond debate.
Some choose to see their lives as evolving in a psychic/spiritual environment, others, to meet the expectations of their communities.

However the failure of someone to "adjust" to their cultural norms (often as a result of some discovery about themselves by taking a comparative "reading") leads to what the shrinks see as aberrant behaviour.
They can't deal with spirituality other than it's there. They can't deal with "individual", only stereotypes.

On a forum like this, individuals can self-express (as far as is possible in words) beyond the conventional.
To me, other elements of spiritual expression is art, music and humour, a combination of all.
I recall some rather beautiful if challenging art posted on the forum that was deleted presumably because it had (relative to the norm) a horror element.
To me it expressed a psyche in ways that words never could.
Artists can communicate individuality with directness. (Doesn't mean they all do, but you get the drift.)
In another interpretation, creators at any level - artists, composers, poets, dancers, are all bonkers. They aren't conforming but making.


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[Raziel]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

It's no problem to me. Shrinks tend to work with social norms. That's how they decide what's crazy and not.
Once one tries to explore the individual (who may superficially act out social norms, maybe not) there's no benchmark so what's normal and not is beyond debate.

If i were walking around and a naked man throwing poop started to shout "I am God, this is my gift to you." I rightfully wouldn't think of him as having attained spiritual enlightenment.

The blindingly obvious would be that he was crazy - not an "individual" or "free" from societal chains & boundaries. Normal & not has a benchmark. It's not always for judgement it is potentially because we have seen where the behaviour often leads - to harm, self or otherwise.

You can go one way which is rigid & will not bend rules or another which doesn't accept rules.

This is why the yin yang symbol is genius because the white has a hint of black, the black has a hint of white.

A person that always follows never really develops their own character but a person that is always defiant will never be tolerant of others.

The crazy aspect of spiritual people to me is that they are lost souls - the lost panic if they can't get their bearings.

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Originally Posted by knightoflenity

If i were walking around and a naked man throwing poop started to shout "I am God, this is my gift to you." I rightfully wouldn't think of him as having attained spiritual enlightenment.

The blindingly obvious would be that he was crazy - not an "individual"
or "free" from societal chains & boundaries."

Hahahahaha!!! Precisely. Glad you got the drift. He isn't conforming to the norm! Good example and thank you for stating that particular obvious.
I do appreciate these complex ideas being elucidated.
It's the individual emerging. I have several times seen naked people on the beach throwing bits of food at seagulls to watch them catch it
which is crazy given the norms of our culture.
Perhaps if they threw poo these birds might be less encouraged to nick people's sandwiches.

Normal & not has a benchmark. It's not always for judgement it is potentially because we have seen where the behaviour often leads - to harm, self or otherwise.

Can't agree but never mind.

A person that always follows never really develops their own character but a person that is always defiant will never be tolerant of others.

My, my, thank you for those pearls.

The crazy aspect of spiritual people to me is that they are lost souls - the lost panic if they can't get their bearings.

Lost souls? . Lost from what? Their souls are their souls so how can they be lost except in the sense of refusing to kowtow to some ill-ordained religious dogma? Nope, you won't sell me that!

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[Raziel]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Lost souls? . Lost from what? Their souls are their souls so how can they be lost except in the sense of refusing to kowtow to some ill-ordained religious dogma? Nope, you won't sell me that!

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Ha ha the switcheroo I see what you did there!

"Lost souls? . Lost from what?"
Lost in the world - adrift - spiritually / emotionally .. take your pick but the word lost is a well known one.

"Their souls are their souls"
People are sometimes referred to as souls or you can say they "have a soul" but you can't pretend you don't understand the way I use it within this context.

It's all dogma but is it there to guide or dictate - perhaps both or neither.

A Buddhist only knows how to be a Buddhist because of the traditions & practices undertaken by others before them. You might undertake them differently without the "guide".

The most important thing are these words:

"he's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy!"

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[shivatar]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

All over the web there's a lot of spiritual information, misinformation, gurus, wise people, nutters, crackpots and generally, if you ask for it, it's out there. Some of the stuff is just plain weird...but there are people who will believe it, albeit gullible people (we think).

Those who have had traumatic experiences in life are often those who search for a deeper meaning to them or tend to ask the question; 'surely this cannot be what life is all about?...gimme something better' and their search for meaning can take them from Zen Buddhism to Atlantean lizard-people without anything much in between.

Then there are those we come across though and have to say 'woah...is that dude for real?' but who are we to judge it, even though it seems totally ridiculous (to us)?

The trick here is using our discernment and discretion. Sometimes (often) I need to sift through pages and pages of carp to get one sentence of pure gold...at other times, I visit the Christian forum if I am in need of a good laugh.

On here, the truly wise/enlightened among the folk only visit SF once in a few months, post a sentence or two on a specific thread and then vanish again before you can say "hey, I wanna talk to you!"

So, we each have our own 'spiritual filters' that separate the 'real stuff' from all the rubbish, but what may be rubbish to one would be a gem to another at a different vibration or stage of personal growth.

I am quick to judge because I've experienced temporary madness and insanity in my life before. I know it (madness in others) because I have experienced it, and because it hurt me badly I have an aversion to it. I can sense it when I am around it or interacting with a person going through it. I can sense it in my stomach, and shortly after begin to sense it in my mind (the inner dialogue begins to comment on it). it took me a long time, perhaps years, before I understood what that feeling was. Caused me a lot of pain because it is a very interesting feeling, it used to feel feel so free and blissful before I knew the pain that came after it. it is a sickening feeling to me these days though, it feels fake and forced, and I understand that there is a price to be paid for it's temporary bliss so I avoid them (the pain, madness, and bliss) all together.

I've experienced too much pain to turn a blind eye to it anymore. When we interact with others there is a blending of energies. I can't afford to blend with certain people anymore. Well, I just refuse to. I don't need to experience anymore breakdowns in my life.

When I see someone in pain and they are clawing out for help, looking for anyone they can push underwater for a little more buoyancy, well I just avoid them.

This has become a bit of a problem because almost everyone in society is clawing out for help. Help from their own loneliness, help with their financial problems, with raising children, with feeling sad, etc. The list goes on, everybody needs something from someone else and they are mean to the people who have nothing they want.

I kind of want to become a hermit. But I also understand there are groups of people like me out there somewhere, probably hidden. They are highly developed people and I may not even qualify to be among them yet. I know I will someday though, if I can remember to keep looking and keep improving.



I should mention that I still have compassion and love for almost all of mankind. I say almost all because I haven't met all kinds of people yet, and I have came close to not being able to recognize the love and compassion I have for certain people. I've come to understand that when the manipulative seek to use love and compassion as a weapon against me, the most compassionate thing I can do is not arm them. They are just hurting their selves, if I arm them with love, what kind of crime is that. it is a crime of selfishness and laziness, I love because it's easy, not because it's the right or best thing for every situation. I think this is an important lesson I am learning now. When does my love and compassion arm my enemies, and how can I help them without having unconditional love and compassion for them... is my presence required for me to help them through having love and compassion for them? Can I love them from afar, as God does, and will it make a difference in the world or do I do that for selfish reasons? Who am I to sit idly by, loving from afar, when I can love up close and personally? Who am I if I can only love a select few up close and personally?

All these questions are heavy on my mind and bring me a lot of pain lately.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

LOL

I apologise for being a tad overgeneralising. There are just some on here I would like to see post more than they do because I feel they have a lot more they could share, but their meditative equanimity holds them back.

what is meditative equanimity?