REALITY

The all Creator is not love because that implies that he has less of other attributes and if he is lacking then he is not the all Creator. The all Creator is not longing for his lover because that implies that he is missing something therefore lacking as well as not obtaining something that he desires therefore it implies a lack and a limitation of power. The all Creator cannot be talked about directly because words are symbols and quantification and the all Creator is neither one of those . Lastly the word "love" was first recorded/written in the year 85AD so even the concept that most people are following in this new age movement is younger then the bible and no one from biblical days was even still alive at the time it was first recorded/written down and so this qualifies it as a "new age philosophy "

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MAYA EL

The all Creator is not love because that implies that he has less of other attributes and if he is lacking then he is not the all Creator. The all Creator is not longing for his lover because that implies that he is missing something therefore lacking as well as not obtaining something that he desires therefore it implies a lack and a limitation of power. The all Creator cannot be talked about directly because words are symbols and quantification and the all Creator is neither one of those . Lastly the word "love" was first recorded/written in the year 85AD so even the concept that most people are following in this new age movement is younger then the bible and no one from biblical days was even still alive at the time it was first recorded/written down and so this qualifies it as a "new age philosophy "

The creator (consciousness) is unconditional love/non-duality, not conditional love/duality. This is the only non-duality and duality there is. Humankind creates duality with their beliefs based on duality that causes emotions and feelings.

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The creator (consciousness) is unconditional love/non-duality, not conditional love/duality. This is the only non-duality and duality there is. Humankind creates duality with their beliefs based on duality that causes emotions and feelings.

No the actual true all Creator that is before everything the "most high" is not unconventional love .
Your Neurosis has manipulated your view of reality and you cant see it.

Not to mention that the word "love" and the concept of it that you hold has only been around since the 85AD time period and was a philosophical concept clearly created by man. Iorio. I Am sorry that you have been lied to but anybody that tells you about the all Creators attributes is simply expressing there own desires to have in a daddy figure.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by MAYA EL

No the actual true all Creator that is before everything the "most high" is not unconventional love .
Your Neurosis has manipulated your view of reality and you cant see it.

Not to mention that the word "love" and the concept of it that you hold has only been around since the 85AD time period and was a philosophical concept clearly created by man. Iorio. I Am sorry that you have been lied to but anybody that tells you about the all Creators attributes is simply expressing there own desires to have in a daddy figure.

You have some very strange ideas. Bhakti Yoga (the Yoga of Divine love and devotion) goes back many centuries before 85AD.

Perhaps your neurosis is manipulating your view of reality and you cannot see it.

Peace

Out of all the things I said you're going to highlight that you can find the term love being used before 85 ad? That is a lot like complaining about the pebble in your shoe as you walk off a cliff in other words a petty thing to focus on.
I'm sure I can find documentation of some form that uses the word love that predates 85 ad however I'm talking about the word and the concept love that you and the rest of the world use right now because words change dramatically in their meaning over time so much so to the point that a word that could mean death and destruction and turmoil in 2,000 years could be the best thing you could ever say to your significant other or it could not be utilized at all anymore and mean literally nothing and so this is what happens to all words in one degree or another and especially "love" now just to name two that predate said time frame are agape and eros however you noticed they are spelled differently than love they also have a different meaning than love although in the same category. However the understanding of the word and the word itself love is a relatively new concept I hope I have clarified this better?.

And lastly although I'm sure I still have my neuroses to work out as every single human being does I am afraid I'm not mistaken when it comes to talking about the all Creator in the sense that you cannot attach an attribute to the actual most high all creator because an attribute is something that things made of physical matter acquire or people have and implies measure something of measure and if it can be measured it has a limit therefore not the all creator

And even if you want to say that there is no limit to this specific emotion that the all creator has it still would imply that he has less of some other emotion then once again making him limited therefore not the actual all creator.

This is because words cannot grasp the thing that made the things that made words it which is not even what "it" is and neither a "he" or a "she" and in no way can any word touch what we are actually trying to talk about and any person that wants to talk about the all Creator especially one that knows the all creator is merely giving their personal opinion on it and not actual fact.

[Truth307]

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

REALITY

The sages say that the ultimate Reality is right in front of you. By not being able to perceive it, you are not missing something “Important”, but you are simply missing the “Obvious”.

Genetically are we programmed not to see the Reality?

Looking at the record of human existence on this planet, barring a few hundreds in every generation, the rest of the populace did not get the taste of Reality at all. Even among thousands of seekers, very few are able transcend beyond the screen that separates the illusion from the ultimate Reality.

Though the search for Reality goes on relentlessly, one is not sure as to where one is going to reach or is the Goal posts getting constantly moved. Or what one is going to encounter beyond the screen.

Is it necessary to really know how an electronic gadget that we use everyday is designed or to know the source code (program) of a computer App that we use every minute? Even if you find out and know the design or the program, how does that help. A normal user who knows the operations manual would be able to use these Apps as well as a person who has studied and understood the program.

Is not the gadget or the App acts as an interface between the user and its reality?

Similarly, this phenomenal universe (which you are part of, but not separate from) acts as an interface between you and the ultimate Reality.

The ultimate Reality is just beneath the interface. How do we overcome our limitations and see it?

Or are we simply missing the “obvious”

Namaskar

By accepting that this Phenominal Universe IS the Ultimate Reality.

Everyone, everything, everywhere, every action, is Him/ Truth.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

REALITY

The sages say that the ultimate Reality is right in front of you. By not being able to perceive it, you are not missing something “Important”, but you are simply missing the “Obvious”.

Genetically are we programmed not to see the Reality?

Looking at the record of human existence on this planet, barring a few hundreds in every generation, the rest of the populace did not get the taste of Reality at all. Even among thousands of seekers, very few are able transcend beyond the screen that separates the illusion from the ultimate Reality.

Though the search for Reality goes on relentlessly, one is not sure as to where one is going to reach or is the Goal posts getting constantly moved. Or what one is going to encounter beyond the screen.

Is it necessary to really know how an electronic gadget that we use everyday is designed or to know the source code (program) of a computer App that we use every minute? Even if you find out and know the design or the program, how does that help. A normal user who knows the operations manual would be able to use these Apps as well as a person who has studied and understood the program.

Is not the gadget or the App acts as an interface between the user and its reality?

Similarly, this phenomenal universe (which you are part of, but not separate from) acts as an interface between you and the ultimate Reality.

The ultimate Reality is just beneath the interface. How do we overcome our limitations and see it?

Or are we simply missing the “obvious”

Namaskar

The ultimate reality is the eternal deathless present moment-the right here and right now. We are not limited per se. The ego's animalistic/instinctual nature keeps us too busy to see the present moment thus, takes our awareness away from the obvious present moment.

[MikeS80]

What if the big bang did not create the physical universe per se, The physical universe was there before the big bang, the big bang only created matter in the physical universe thus this will make the physical universe itself the ultimate non-duality reality/consciousness? I ask what if, because it is best to keep an open mind about it and not come to conclusions about it.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

REALITY
The sages say that the ultimate Reality is right in front of you. By not being able to perceive it, you are not missing something “Important”, but you are simply missing the “Obvious”.

Do you see the skydiver and the plane - they are right in front of you! Takes me one second. LOL!

[FallingLeaves]

getting past illusion is like peeling an onion... but noone seems to realize the game is rigged and they can't actually get to the 'core' of reality. So everyone (gurus included) finds a place to put their flag and then claims 'this is the answer'.