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Old 05-07-2020, 09:53 AM
MAYA EL
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How is non-duality madness?! If non-duality is madness, then I would love hate. Mhhh! Let's hate eachother! I love hate! MMMHHH!

Duality is the most fked up thing in all of existence. The only possible hope is to overcome it, to close that gap. To unite the two.

Atlantis was about 8 trillion times more advanced then our civilization, and people literally cut eachothers living hearts out with a knife because they discovered that they could not escape duality. Because those who live non-duality cannot teach it to those who don't live it. So lets hope this time we succeed.

As long as duality exists, it doesn't matter what you say, there exists the opposite.
IF someone says god and love. Then they instantly created devil and hate.

So think before you say that duality is good.

Only problem with that is that Atlantis wasn't actually a physical location in the literal since / to be taken at face value .
it's symbolistic /allegorical /alchemical
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Old 05-07-2020, 11:10 AM
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Only problem with that is that Atlantis wasn't actually a physical location in the literal since / to be taken at face value .
it's symbolistic /allegorical /alchemical

If nonduality (Oneness) is accepted as the only reality in that nondual story, then It must be Oneness manifesting as duality (There is nothing else real available).

So if you are saying that duality is problematic, its like saying that the very basis of nonduality, namely Oneness, is not accepted.
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Old 05-07-2020, 04:28 PM
MAYA EL
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If nonduality (Oneness) is accepted as the only reality in that nondual story, then It must be Oneness manifesting as duality (There is nothing else real available).

So if you are saying that duality is problematic, its like saying that the very basis of nonduality, namely Oneness, is not accepted.

I was not talking about Duality being problematic and even if I was you would have to first Define what you consider to be "problematic" because conflict only arises within duality and so because Duality seems to be the only observable place for conflict to happen that brings up the question (fundamentally speaking ) is it really conflict? Or are we calling that which is not in our favor "conflict "?

You can't dismiss the lack of evidence for non-duality's existence by saying that duality is the manifestation of non-duality . Non-duality could not have its only manifestation be duality because that would automatically make it not non-duality because if you're only manifestation is the opposite (duality) of what you claim (non-duality) then by definition it is only duality.

I'm sorry but you cant override the evidence called life with the concept called non-duality.

And what does this have to do with me stating that the Atlantis stories having been mistaken by people raised watching Hollywood movies and in reality are just alchemical allegories?
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Old 05-07-2020, 05:12 PM
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Color .......*|*...........( * * )........(>*< ) i (>*< )......

(><)(>< ) is fundamental buliding tube{ block } of Uni-V-erse and has inherent 4 kinds, or more, sets of duality.


And bilateral * * consciousness and complex access to ego { i } is resultant of some complex set of those toroidal sets ergo (>*<) i (>*<)


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>< = resultant sine-wave /\/\/\/ patterned frequencies associated with Observed Time aka reality composed of quantised and quantified fermions and bosons.



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If nonduality (Oneness) is accepted as the only reality in that nondual story, then It must be Oneness manifesting as duality (There is nothing else real available).

So if you are saying that duality is problematic, its like saying that the very basis of nonduality, namely Oneness, is not accepted.
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Old 05-07-2020, 05:23 PM
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I was not talking about Duality being problematic and even if I was you would have to first Define what you consider to be "problematic" because conflict only arises within duality and so because Duality seems to be the only observable place for conflict to happen that brings up the question (fundamentally speaking ) is it really conflict? Or are we calling that which is not in our favor "conflict "?

You can't dismiss the lack of evidence for non-duality's existence by saying that duality is the manifestation of non-duality . Non-duality could not have its only manifestation be duality because that would automatically make it not non-duality because if you're only manifestation is the opposite (duality) of what you claim (non-duality) then by definition it is only duality.

I'm sorry but you cant override the evidence called life with the concept called non-duality.

And what does this have to do with me stating that the Atlantis stories having been mistaken by people raised watching Hollywood movies and in reality are just alchemical allegories?

Too much denial. Never mind. Be well and good luck.
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Old 08-08-2020, 05:52 PM
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Agree with zorkchop. The mind cannot understand that which is greater than the mind. Which is frustrating for the mind because the mind likes to put things into neat little mental boxes and then it believes that it has understood.

This is nothing to do with traditions or assumptions. This comes from penetrating to those realms of consciousness where mind does not exist.

Iamit may quote from Nisargadatta to support his opinions, but let us consider other things which Nisargadatta says:

Distrust your mind and go beyond. [Then you will find] the direct experience of being, knowing and loving.

To go beyond the mind, you must be silent and quiet. Peace and silence, silence and peace - this is the way beyond. Stop asking questions.

Just look away from all that happens in your mind and bring it to the feeling "I am". The "I am" is not a direction. It is the negation of all direction.


And regarding the need for practice:

Try to be, only to be. The all-important word is "try". Allot enough time daily for sitting quietly and trying, just trying, to go beyond the personality with its addictions and obsessions. Don't ask how, it cannot be explained. You just keep on trying until you succeed. If you persevere, there can be no failure. What matters supremely is sincerity, earnestness; you must really have had surfeit of being the person you are; now see the urgent need of being free of this unnecessary self-identification with a bundle of memories and habits. This steady resistance against the unnecessary is the secret of success.

Meditation is a deliberate attempt to pierce into the higher states of consciousness and finally go beyond it. The art of meditation is the art of shifting the focus of attention to ever subtler levels, without losing one's grip on the levels left behind. ... But you must be energetic when you take to meditation. It is definitely not a part-time occupation. Limit your interests and activities to what is needed for you and your dependents' barest needs. Save all your energies and time for breaking the wall your mind had built around you. Believe me, you will not regret.


Peace

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Agreeing with zorkchop and also a warning to not take Sri Niz out of context - the quotes here are helpful.

thanks,

JL
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