Conducive to purpose

[sky]

Originally Posted by Rain95

Some "Buddhist" teachings are good and some bad. It is made up of flawed human beings after all. Human's come in all types, within all organizations and groups. One can find any point of view they want within religious writings.

Truths are not owned by Buddhism. It's in everyone. Lot's of people have taught it, discovered it. Tolle, Mooji, Watts, Merton, Krishnamurti, Ram Dass, Yogananda, Castenada, Rajneesh, Ramana Maharshi, Bede Griffith, Khandro Rinpoche, it's everywhere in movies, music, and on and on...one could argue most of those were influenced by Buddha's teachings though. And lets not forget Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates.

I personally haven't found any of Buddhas teachings to be bad, but sometimes the way people interpret them is extremely bad.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Gem

What I said was, people don't need to know the Buddhist texts to understand that compassion is conducive to the resolution of suffering.

Isn't studying the Dharma one of the core principles of Buddhism?

Is it not one of the 3 Jewels?

If you don't study the teachings then what are you really doing? How can you call yourself a Buddhist if you don't know what it teaches?

You can't.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

I personally haven't found any of Buddhas teachings to be bad, but sometimes the way people interpret them is extremely bad.

Very well said.

Originally Posted by Rain95

Truths are not owned by Buddhism. It's in everyone. Lot's of people have taught it, discovered it. Tolle, Mooji, Watts, Merton, Krishnamurti, Ram Dass, Yogananda, Castenada, Rajneesh, Ramana Maharshi, Bede Griffith, Khandro Rinpoche, it's everywhere in movies, music, and on and on...one could argue most of those were influenced by Buddha's teachings though. And lets not forget Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates.

None of the people you mention had the same depth of insight as the Buddha.

Many different end points that completely disagree with that of the Buddha.

[Rain95]

Originally Posted by sky123.

I personally haven't found any of Buddhas teachings to be bad, but sometimes the way people interpret them is extremely bad.

Where do these extremely bad interpretations exist? Where have you seen or heard these extremely bad interpretations of Buddha's teachings? Any examples of these extreme things you say exist? Can you name any?

[Rain95]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

None of the people you mention had the same depth of insight as the Buddha.

How do you know your opinion is true? What is it based on? Can you name one objective source that would support this opinion of yours?

[Rain95]

Originally Posted by sky123

I personally haven't found any of Buddhas teachings to be bad, but sometimes the way people interpret them is extremely bad.

I would not say this is well said or even a "nice post" because you quoted me implying falsely you were refuting what I said.... and I did not say or imply any of Buddha's actual teachings were bad.

The entire context that you omitted and re-worded to make your point "I was wrong" was :Some "Buddhist" teachings are good and some bad. It is made up of flawed human beings after all.


Did you notice the quotes I put around the word "Buddhist" lol You redefined the phrase I used "Buddhist" teachings written by flawed human beings to mean the actual words and meanings of Buddha himself. In my post, I was clearly referring to and defining "Buddhist" teachings as interpretations, written by flawed human beings. You also omitted I said some of these interpretation were "good," or in line with what Buddha taught.

I personally find this kind of posting aggressive and coming from conscious or sub-conscious anger "energy"

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Isn't studying the Dharma one of the core principles of Buddhism?

Is it not one of the 3 Jewels?

If you don't study the teachings then what are you really doing? How can you call yourself a Buddhist if you don't know what it teaches?

You can't.

In answer to your questions.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. If you don't know the teachings, you could still be moving through the realizations, that will pertain to the Buddhist teachings, just by being open to yourself and dedicating yourself to a more conscious mindful way of living and being.

I didn't interpret the comment made, in the way you seem to be reflecting here. The knowing and becoming- of the Buddhist core teachings, can certainly be gained through the lived experience and actualized as such just by being open to yourself and allowing the process of life to build the realizations of Buddhism most naturally. For me personally, Buddhism once you have an understanding of yourself more clear and open to the truth of yourself, with an open mind, not contained by beliefs or conditioning, there is the awareness that Buddhism is nothing more than the true home within us all, if one is open to themselves that deep.

Of course that doesn't mean you call yourself a Buddhist, if you find yourself through another path, or many paths for that matter, it just means you have came to your own realizations through your daily life and practice as a self aware and dedicated human being, who is awake to (what I would say are) the 'universal truths' found in Buddhism, through any aspect of life, others, experiences which ultimately if one is open will source the truth within.


When I read your last comment and reflect upon it. The one where you say. "You cant". To me the energy behind your words is what appears to be a driving home your belief. For me personally, that shows me how the belief itself will often become the driver first and foremost, before the realization itself, meaning you are the 3 jewels when you realize this through the study, that there is nothing to drive home as you the one who is aware of himself and how he is relating and conveying himself.

So as I see this, one will be firm and closed minded about what should be and has to be. In some ways its almost like a protection of the belief and making itself certain and sure that things have to be "this is the way", which if we look at within the mind itself being like this, it most certainly depicts a level of closed thinking. Within my own deeper realization there are many ways to build the realizations that Buddhism offers us to explore within its teachings, with an open minded approach to yourself and whatever is moving outside of yourself.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Very well said.



None of the people you mention had the same depth of insight as the Buddha.

Many different end points that completely disagree with that of the Buddha.

What points would they be? Can you expand on that please?

[Gem]

Listening is important, and if you really look at what I said, you'll see how the arguments against it don't actually pertain to it.



This thread is to do with the sublime real-lived dhamma that applies to everyone. It is not exclusively "Buddhist".

[sky]

Originally Posted by Rain95

I would not say this is well said or even a "nice post" because you quoted me implying falsely you were refuting what I said.... and I did not say or imply any of Buddha's actual teachings were bad.

The entire context that you omitted and re-worded to make your point "I was wrong" was :Some "Buddhist" teachings are good and some bad. It is made up of flawed human beings after all.


Did you notice the quotes I put around the word "Buddhist" lol You redefined the phrase I used "Buddhist" teachings written by flawed human beings to mean the actual words and meanings of Buddha himself. In my post, I was clearly referring to and defining "Buddhist" teachings as interpretations, written by flawed human beings. You also omitted I said some of these interpretation were "good," or in line with what Buddha taught.

I personally find this kind of posting aggressive and coming from conscious or sub-conscious anger "energy"

' I personally find this kind of posting aggressive and coming from conscious or sub-conscious anger "energy".


Yes it's all about interpretation....