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Old 27-05-2019, 07:59 PM
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It would depend on your perception of cause and effect , not everyone believes in it.

I see cause & effect as the same law as reap what you sow.

So if it is a law it must be truth.

I also see perceptions as changeable like the wind.

So I see cause & effect as more of a constant and perception may change it some. But also perceptions can be delusional.

Just wondered what your thoughts on them are.
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Old 27-05-2019, 10:36 PM
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I would say that cause & effect is not a law.
however, reap as you show is a law.. & is a law unto it self & put in place & motion by the creative almighty supreme being, & is working ceaselessly & causes effect on each & every Soul being.
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Old 28-05-2019, 01:11 AM
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False to you, true to me

The truth that we are speaking of is objective and exists independent of your mind, your thoughts, your preferences, etc. It sounds like you lack a basic understanding of what truth is. Truth is not relative. This ludicrous "true for me and not for you" ideology is easily demonstrated as false when faced with the simple yet revealing question: Is that true for everyone? So by following the same logic, the answer would be no, in a universe where we pick and choose what truth is, there is no truth at all. And this is demonstratably false.
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Old 28-05-2019, 05:56 AM
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The truth that we are speaking of is objective and exists independent of your mind, your thoughts, your preferences, etc. It sounds like you lack a basic understanding of what truth is. Truth is not relative. This ludicrous "true for me and not for you" ideology is easily demonstrated as false when faced with the simple yet revealing question: Is that true for everyone? So by following the same logic, the answer would be no, in a universe where we pick and choose what truth is, there is no truth at all. And this is demonstratably false.


No truth, only perception....
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Old 28-05-2019, 06:00 AM
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It would depend on your perception of cause and effect , not everyone believes in it.

There is another word or definition of cause and effect which explains things in a much more rational way.

This word is one which hasn't been around as long as the word 'karma' but it carries exactly the same workings. The word is 'evolution'.

You (and I) are where you are today, looking as you do, speaking as you do, living as you do, being now in the present on this planet all because of evolution. Nothing else.
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Old 28-05-2019, 06:09 AM
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No truth, only perception....

Perception of what? There needs to be something which we can perceive.
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Old 28-05-2019, 06:20 AM
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Perception of what? There needs to be something which we can perceive.



Perception....
Is the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
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Old 28-05-2019, 06:41 AM
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There is another word or definition of cause and effect which explains things in a much more rational way.

This word is one which hasn't been around as long as the word 'karma' but it carries exactly the same workings. The word is 'evolution'.

You (and I) are where you are today, looking as you do, speaking as you do, living as you do, being now in the present on this planet all because of evolution. Nothing else.



To see Karma as evolution It would depend on what you understand Karma to be.
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Old 28-05-2019, 06:48 AM
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I see cause & effect as the same law as reap what you sow.

So if it is a law it must be truth.

I also see perceptions as changeable like the wind.

So I see cause & effect as more of a constant and perception may change it some. But also perceptions can be delusional.

Just wondered what your thoughts on them are.
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' I see cause & effect as the same law as reap what you sow.

So if it is a law it must be truth.'

It's your truth because you perceive it to be true.




Perceptions do change and can definitely be delusional therefore there is no truth only what you as an individual percieve to be true..
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Old 28-05-2019, 07:41 AM
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To see Karma as evolution It would depend on what you understand Karma to be.

I understand evolution to be nothing other than the new word for karma.

If you understand that who you are today, where you are, how you look, what you eat, how you think, to whom you are related, in which country you live, what you believe, and all the rest - it's all due to evolution.
Nothing that exists today - at this very moment - is anything other than karma/evolution. It couldn't be anything other than what it is.

If you want to change - change it. Sow it.
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