God Creates A Ton of Your Suffering

[lemex]

Originally Posted by iorek65

This nonsense that God is perfect has to stop.

God is the creator of this sub universe -- the one who created suffering refuses to take responsibility for it.

Stop guilting yourself forever and giving God a free pass.

God must bare the weight of His sin -- and He is the greatest sinner of us all.

IMO let's not use God as the scapegoat because we can alleviate much of suffering ourselves. Also wanted to say a lot of times we talk (feel) about things not God related projecting back to the concept of teaching or we heard.

[IndigoGeminiWolf]

Separation from God is an illusion. We are always one. So we are as much responsible for suffering. I've heard it said many times "there are no victims." When something "bad" happens to someone, ultimately it was their choice for it to happen. Most likely at a soul level. Possibly for the growth of that soul.

[Jyotir]

Originally Posted by iorek65

This nonsense that God is perfect has to stop.

God is the creator of this sub universe -- the one who created suffering refuses to take responsibility for it.

Stop guilting yourself forever and giving God a free pass.

God must bare the weight of His sin -- and He is the greatest sinner of us all.

Yes, in a Way - God does and God is.

But fortunately that isn't the complete story...

Rather, God made the sacrifice for us by plunging His All-conscious infinite eternal self-existent Knowing Power and Delight, into a conditionally divided oblivion and nescience of Self, in order that we could struggle out of that darkness and realize who we really are.

This is an unfathomable opportunity.

God is inseparably One, so in the Creation, God doesn't feel He is perfect unless we are, and suffers in our suffering.
Therefore, God supports, sustains and allows transformation in our evolution compassionately, patiently, and forgivingly since it's His Plan.
That is the very definition of taking responsibility.

Right! Stop feeling guilty! And get to work!!



~ J

[Altair]

We can be totally crazy in how we can justify needless suffering in the name of god/God/some God!

Cruelty is a fundamental part of this world we live in. There are micro-organisms that can only survive by slowly killing their host, or by making the host go blind, or turn the host into a frothing zombie-like creature. There are no ''life lessons'' to be learned in a young child dying in such gruesome ways. We come up with fancy explanations that involve some ''grand plan'' as a means to cope with that reality. The reality is that all species are driven to multiply, and there's no divinely inspired plan to it.

If you'd ask me, it's just creativity for creativity's sake, and 'God' is not a person but acts as an impersonal force of nature..
The ''person'' bit and the niceties are a human component, so humans create ''God'' in a plethora of ways.

[Starman]

Suffering is and individual choice. People in so-called “third world nations” suffer a lot more than people in developed nations, but people in developed nations seem to complain much more than those in third world nations.

During the Great Depression people in America committed suicide because they had no money; the suicide rate is higher in many developed countries more than it is in under-developed countries. As a U.S. Army Vietnam combat veteran I saw a lot of suffering, and later lost my eyesight and initially suffered from total blindness for a period.

But I learned how to function while being blind and it became as and exploration for me, and I no longer suffered from it. Suffering is often a matter of perception, what people expect and not receive they may consider suffering. Today in the U.S. people go out and shoot people because they feel they are suffering and they want to make others suffer, or they want others to feel their pain so they inflict pain on others.

I am not a Buddhist but largely Buddhists do not believe in God. There are some religious, or spiritual, perspectives that say there is no such thing as “GOD.” To say that God is responsible for our suffering requires that first one must believe in a supreme being which they call “GOD.”

Suffering has only been a small part of my life, but while I was in it, it seemed to last forever. Most of my life has been filled with love, joy, and happiness. I have experienced such fulfillment in this life to degrees which I am unable to describe, and it had nothing to do with material wealth, health, or other people.

Learning to love just for the sake of love. Love without a reason to love, or and object or person to love. Love that stands alone, and overwhelming, intoxicating love, that emanates from right inside of us. I have frequently experienced this, and this is my God. As for me, Love is Lord of Heaven and Earth. But whether we choose love or not is our choice.

[Dan_SF]

Originally Posted by Native spirit

Strong words Iorek but I happen to agree. If there was a god why does he allow wars suffering etc etc etc.the list goes on.
Im not a Christian and neither do I read the man made Book people call the Bible.its all about control.
that's my opinion anyway


Namaste

Have you ever thought that, what the bible calls "Garden Eden" is actually the Content/Garden of your mind?

You can feed it with all kind of fruits. But the bible says, do not have any other God's before me.

If you plant suffering in your Garden, why should God disallow it ?
You are as free as him to do this.
The only difference is that he does NOT do it.He does not goes against anyone's will, because he does not go against his.

He said "You can eat of every fruit in the Garden" and he as well said "The Branch that bears no fruits, will be cut off".

So when you want suffering, there you have it, when you have learned that suffering is not useful at all, then replace that seed.

The Question is "What is your God".

Which God of all the possible ways, in which human can think, is the one, which can endure forever ?

Is war God ? Is Jealosity God ? Is Suffering God ?

Or is God only Love ?


The bible becomes very Holy book if you know following things:

The Bible is about God being Love.
The Bible is a mind training Program: "By Showing you what God is not, you can know what God is." And the Bible is full of it.

Nagi Tanka and the Wanka Tanka's have give us this beautiful
Rock for a Home.
Given us Fire to warm us.
Water to drink.
Then the Green for our sustenance.
These things are all around us to share in.
There is such a comfort of the Spirit, being in
connection with these relatives that when one finds peace
in the innermost core of there being there is great Love and Gratitude and respect.

[ocean breeze]

It is always wise and mature to blame an imaginary existence for the suffering we create.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by ocean breeze

It is always wise and mature to blame an imaginary existence for the suffering we create.

So true, isn't it?
What did the dinosaurs do 'wrong' to cause their destruction?

[ocean breeze]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

So true, isn't it?
What did the dinosaurs do 'wrong' to cause their destruction?

They didn't go vegan.