For the world to see.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by hallow

not a need of God's or anything else. In there own ways other living things have long term storage. For example a ginko tree dates back 250 million years. In the simplest form that plant has an very massive memory, the same you described in humans. Guess what I mean is what makes us "better" then the rest. Or are we better because we want to think we are?

It isn't because humans "want to think", it is because they "can think". There is an evolutionary big achievement to have "intellect". Surely, it isn't a none-to-one transition animal to human. It is a gradual evolution, both between, and inside, each level of consciousness kingdom ... plant, animal, human ...

[linen53]

Well, my ducks do recognize the Creator/Creation. They call it beak clicking. They raise their heads and click their beaks sometimes for a minute or two. They say it's a sign of contentment. I see it as a thank you to the creative forces.

[Rah nam]

Humans have the ability to be an almost "saint" or on the other side of the scale as "evil" or should I say destructive as Pol pot.

Animals don't have this ability, and I don;t talk about animals close to humans, who can pick up vibes of their so called masters or tormentors. I am talking more about animals in their own habitat, who are directed by their oversoul.
Human souls are not directed by an oversoul but rather "let loose" so to speak. Pushed out of the house, make your own way. And this is what they do. Free will it is called. And free will is the No 1 distortion in the field. With field I mean the underlying energy field that connects us all.


clarify: I used the term: human soul, there is in fact no such thing as a human soul, there are only souls, in our cases they just happen to be attached to the human form.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

If you think a tree has the same memory as a human brain...ok.

I have no desire, per se, to think I am better than a dolphin or a tree, does anyone?
I know they are better at swimming and growing apples than I am.
Why, an eagle can see further and a dog can hear beyond the frequencies a human ear is capable of.

We all excel at what we were made for...should I not mention a Creator? Would you rather not bring It into the conversation?

I could have used a better example. But everything living has 2 memories. Physical memories like remembering where I put my car keys. The other one is not obvious. From generation to generation "dna". That's how you get the traits you do.
Guess what I was really getting at is. There a few things that set us and animals apart. Our ability to create, and our level of emotions. Since there's so many different belief's of spirit or whatever you want to call it. Could it be possible we created it threw our own emotions? Since humans are the only being that has rituals in emotional areas? I haven't found any proof anything "spiritual" unless you experienced first hand there isn't any. I did experience first hand and that's why I am here I believe in it! So let's go back to the DNA thing. Over many generations your DNA starts to "remember" and carve it in stone. " Your own since of spiritually comes from within". Aka. DNA. Or am I just way over thinking it?

[hallow]

Originally Posted by linen53

Well, my ducks do recognize the Creator/Creation. They call it beak clicking. They raise their heads and click their beaks sometimes for a minute or two. They say it's a sign of contentment. I see it as a thank you to the creative forces.

That's cute! Ducks are awesome!

Originally Posted by hallow

Guess what I was really getting at is. There a few things that set us and animals apart. Our ability to create, and our level of emotions. Since there's so many different belief's of spirit or whatever you want to call it. Could it be possible we created it threw our own emotions? Since humans are the only being that has rituals in emotional areas?

Animals have creativity and emotions, although granted not to human levels but they have them just the same. And humans also kill for survival too, although animals don't kill for the fun of it or torture others. In that respect humans have nothing to feel superior about.

As for beliefs, I don't know if animals have them and they may be more Spiritual than humans because they simply exist. Having beliefs doesn't necessarily make us better, in fact much of the time it only makes things worse. Religion and beliefs have been causing wars for long enough, and sometimes Spirituality is only a distraction or an escape from 'real Life'. Do we believe ourselves better than animals because we invented God? Since you mentioned earlier, rituals are habits that animals also learn. My coldwater fish are fed at the same time every night, and for about an hour before-hand they huddle into the corner I fed them in. People do rituals because they get something out of them but really, at a base level, there are still the same instincts driving them.

Spiritual people talk about the Light being good and the dark bad. It's possible that it's an avatar of Jung's collective unconsciousness from when we first came out of the trees and were ill-equipped to deal with Life on the ground, in the dark.

Originally Posted by hallow

Or are we better because we want to think we are?

Or do we choose to forget because it makes us feel superior?

Originally Posted by hallow

We all know the obvious but what really sets us apart?

[hallow]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Animals have creativity and emotions, although granted not to human levels but they have them just the same. And humans also kill for survival too, although animals don't kill for the fun of it or torture others. In that respect humans have nothing to feel superior about.

As for beliefs, I don't know if animals have them and they may be more Spiritual than humans because they simply exist. Having beliefs doesn't necessarily make us better, in fact much of the time it only makes things worse. Religion and beliefs have been causing wars for long enough, and sometimes Spirituality is only a distraction or an escape from 'real Life'. Do we believe ourselves better than animals because we invented God? Since you mentioned earlier, rituals are habits that animals also learn. My coldwater fish are fed at the same time every night, and for about an hour before-hand they huddle into the corner I fed them in. People do rituals because they get something out of them but really, at a base level, there are still the same instincts driving them.

Spiritual people talk about the Light being good and the dark bad. It's possible that it's an avatar of Jung's collective unconsciousness from when we first came out of the trees and were ill-equipped to deal with Life on the ground, in the dark.

Or do we choose to forget because it makes us feel superior?

there actually are a few animals that do kill for sport, house cats, and wild dogs. Some whales and elephants more the death of others. animals do learn for sure! Racoons and crows are some of the most intelligent animals. Like I mentioned the main difference between us and animals is our higher level of emotions and we can create and invent things.

[inavalan]

We have to be careful not to start with a belief and look for arguments to confirm it. A hypothesis isn't the same thing as a belief.

The progression is nothing, instinct, emotion, intellect, intuition. We aren't more evolved than animals because of "our higher level of emotions" (which I would contest too), but because of our level of intellect.

Don't mix the DNA with the soul. The first belongs to physical, the second to non-physical.

Animals don't kill for sport, but from instinct.

There are spiritual experiences of all kinds. The issue is what we get from them, and the fact that what we get is, most of the time, not what the experience was meant to convey to us.

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Humans are discovering "intellect" and start paying attention to "intuition".

Humans already mastered to a certain degree their "instincts", and now are starting to realize that "emotions" have to be mastered too.

INvalan, hello!
I largely agree with what you say, although instincts are extremely poorly mastered by many individuals across the globe. You might readily say we have not at all mastered our instincts...they are instead readily manipulated by culture and society.

In many places, the sexual urge of men becomes predatory in a normative sense...it is accepted, "the rule", and even openly promoted and encouraged.

Also, in many places, violence (in many different settings) is condoned and socially sanctioned against certain vulnerable groups. Often violence is institutionalised and ritualised at the group level, via violent sport or gaming, violent porn, militarisation and perpetual war, and general violence or discrimination against other "out" groups -- such as in societies where individual-level violence is discouraged and punished.

The instinct to murder is one instinct that has been partially mastered in some places, largely under conditions of reasonable distribution of key survival items such as food and water and shelter. Also the instinct to steal more broadly, I would say.

But predatory sex and violence are nowhere near being even partially mastered in nearly any society across the globe. Humanity is having an exceptionally difficult time accepting the concept of ownership and responsibility, both personally and collectively.

Though again, broadly, I agree with the general thoughts

Peace & blessings
7L

[Empowers]

Animals can create - when they find a solution, that is creating.

Animals have higher emotion - they have been known to put themselves in danger in contravention of their survival instinct to save the one they love. Love is a higher emotion, I would say.

The difference, then, is that we can rationalize (or lack thereof) our creations and our emotions :)