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27-08-2018, 02:40 PM
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Is there a world beyond consciousness?
I deeply suspect that there is a whole reality beyond consciousness. Including beyond Universal or Cosmic Consciousness. I'm not saying this lightly in order to have another dig at I AM.
For all my life I have been aware of the spiritual world. Within that realm all manner of things happen and exist. ALL manner. It is a huge and complex reality. A reality which cannot be explained by Cosmic Consciousness alone.
I have noticed numerous times that there are things which consciousness just cannot grasp. Which it is not aware of. Things like Art, meaning, femininity, God, intuition, inspiration, creativity, humour, Love etc. etc.
Consciousness when it is in its pure state lacks depth in some way. It can be very profound but it lacks substance.
It is THIS world beyond consciousness which the Abrahamic Religions speak of and which the Eastern Religions deny exists.
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27-08-2018, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Honza
I deeply suspect that there is a whole reality beyond consciousness. Including beyond Universal or Cosmic Consciousness. I'm not saying this lightly in order to have another dig at I AM.
For all my life I have been aware of the spiritual world. Within that realm all manner of things happen and exist. ALL manner. It is a huge and complex reality. A reality which cannot be explained by Cosmic Consciousness alone.
I have noticed numerous times that there are things which consciousness just cannot grasp. Which it is not aware of. Things like Art, meaning, femininity, God, intuition, inspiration, creativity, humour, Love etc. etc.
Consciousness when it is in its pure state lacks depth in some way. It can be very profound but it lacks substance.
It is THIS world beyond consciousness which the Abrahamic Religions speak of and which the Eastern Religions deny exists.
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If you only suspect then why do think the Eastern Religions deny it exists.? |
27-08-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sky123
If you only suspect then why do think the Eastern Religions deny it exists.?
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They say they do. They say Yahweh does not exist. Christ is only Cosmic Consciousness. The personality is composed of ego. Other people are delusions. etc.
Really; I have heard the Eastern followers state many times that Cosmic Consciousness is all that is.
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27-08-2018, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sky123
If you only suspect then why do think the Eastern Religions deny it exists.?
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The spiritual world is difficult to prove. I might 'only suspect' it exists; but that is because I have very little follow up or back up from anyone else.
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27-08-2018, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Honza
They say they do. They say Yahweh does not exist. Christ is only Cosmic Consciousness. The personality is composed of ego. Other people are delusions. etc.
Really; I have heard the Eastern followers state many times that Cosmic Consciousness is all that is.
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People who don't understand Eastern beliefs always presume  |
27-08-2018, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Honza
I deeply suspect that there is a whole reality beyond consciousness. Including beyond Universal or Cosmic Consciousness. I'm not saying this lightly in order to have another dig at I AM.
For all my life I have been aware of the spiritual world. Within that realm all manner of things happen and exist. ALL manner. It is a huge and complex reality. A reality which cannot be explained by Cosmic Consciousness alone.
I have noticed numerous times that there are things which consciousness just cannot grasp. Which it is not aware of. Things like Art, meaning, femininity, God, intuition, inspiration, creativity, humour, Love etc. etc.
Consciousness when it is in its pure state lacks depth in some way. It can be very profound but it lacks substance.
It is THIS world beyond consciousness which the Abrahamic Religions speak of and which the Eastern Religions deny exists.
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there is something there... people strive to go up though, and be MORE in line with the paths of consciousness... and it almost takes a daredevil to go the other way in light of the fact there is little direct knowledge about what is there...
FWIW the eastern paths can take you into the world of the unconscious just as well as the abrahamic religions, or actually even better because they have a standard way of bringing initiates through it... the only dependency is to how open the initiate is to 'new' things. But something gets lost along the way... the abrahamic religions shine because they can teach you a path to life rather than just teaching you more ways to do the same things people are always doing anyway.
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28-08-2018, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Honza
I deeply suspect that there is a whole reality beyond consciousness. Including beyond Universal or Cosmic Consciousness. I'm not saying this lightly in order to have another dig at I AM.
For all my life I have been aware of the spiritual world. Within that realm all manner of things happen and exist. ALL manner. It is a huge and complex reality. A reality which cannot be explained by Cosmic Consciousness alone.
I have noticed numerous times that there are things which consciousness just cannot grasp. Which it is not aware of. Things like Art, meaning, femininity, God, intuition, inspiration, creativity, humour, Love etc. etc.
Consciousness when it is in its pure state lacks depth in some way. It can be very profound but it lacks substance.
It is THIS world beyond consciousness which the Abrahamic Religions speak of and which the Eastern Religions deny exists.
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They're might be something beyond your consciousness but not beyond universal consciousness. Science has already proven via quantum mechanics there is no such thing as empty space. Consciousness might be the most fundamental thing in the universe.
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28-08-2018, 11:10 PM
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consciousness exist within the underlying realms of the physical verses
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29-08-2018, 02:13 AM
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honza-perhaps if you could describe your understanding of consciousness-I looked up the definition:
"Definition of consciousness - the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings, a person's awareness or perception of something"
however, Im not certain if this describes what your asking-
The first thing I thought about was Heaven-and as I read your post further you mentioned the "spirit world"-yes I believe a spirit world exists-
There is a verse in the Bible that states,
"Ephesians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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29-08-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by white pegasus
There is a verse in the Bible that states,
"Ephesians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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which is another in my long list of reasons for the correct path of the seeker to be downward, not upward. |
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