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Old 17-11-2016, 01:27 PM
knightofalbion knightofalbion is offline
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Yes, but such a man, manifesting the Divine Spirit in person or being a channel for it, must live accordingly. To 'ground' on earth the example of the nature of the Divine and the Plan for mankind - both Love.

We have a saying in England about 'talking the talking and walking the walk'. That is to say, words are easy to speak but living to the same moral code less so, but it is required.
Which is how we may discern the true from the false.
'By their fruits ye shall know them' as Jesus said.
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Old 18-11-2016, 08:44 AM
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here were times when he spoke in the third person i.e. 'No one comes to the Father but through Me'.

Reply: Based on the level of the receiver, God declares Himself as God or as son of God or messenger of God.

(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is like free electrons flowing in the atmosphere. These Electrons are the electricity. Then can you heat water by keeping the vessel containing water in the atmosphere? When these Electrons enter a medium like the metallic wire, you can heat water. Similarly if God enters the medium of physical body, it is most convenient for you to clear your doubts, to love and to serve Him. Basically He receives the worship of His devotees.

This electricity can flow in any number of wires. You can see the wire but not electricity. The wires are similar to the physical bodies of different incarnations like Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna, Adi Shankara, Rama etc. Omnipotent Lord can simultaneously exist in any no. of wires also.

The external body is similar to shirt. Same God wore different shirts and appeared in different forms in front of us. You are only seeing the physical bodies and thinking them as different Gods. Same God existed in Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed etc. When God exists in human body, He is called the human incarnation. If you compare Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed etc. they look different externally. But, the internal God is same. The internal God is unimaginable. But, He entered in a physical body to give His experience in the form of preaching excellent divine knowledge, sometimes doing miracles, saving devotees etc.

This internal God in human incarnation, as far as possible, follows the rules of the nature. This taking food, sleep, marriage, celibacy (unmarried), having children etc. are related to the physical body. The internal God is untouched by any of these. The internal God gives His experience in the form of excellent divine knowledge, bliss, sometimes expression of superpowers etc. When God comes in human form, He will decide Himself His plan of action (like marry or remain celibate monk, where to take birth infact everything) as per His divine plan, which no one knows other than Himself.
according to Mohammad what you saying is the most anti-islamic thoughts
no God did not channel through any Prophet
he sent them holy spirit ( angel by name of Gabriel )
which talked to them and told them what God had to say

it's important to seperate God from humans
who poop fart and eat
use your head ... not litarely
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Old 18-11-2016, 02:20 PM
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You have not read my earlier reply. Anyway I will post again here for your convenience.

Prophet and Incarnation ... (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

When a person says that He was sent by God as a messenger and that He has brought the message of the Lord, the following problem appears. When God is giving the message to that person, nobody has seen it. That person is the single witness. Now the only alternative left in order to believe that the Lord Himself gave the knowledge, is that we have to test the knowledge.

Had we seen the transfer of the knowledge from God to that person with our eyes, we need not have tested that knowledge. It must definitely have been divine knowledge. If we have to believe a statement of that person without the simultaneous universal perception, then we have to believe even a fraud person who utters the same statement.

If you give us a piece of metal and say that is gold, since God gave it, we cannot believe it. Either we must have seen God giving it to you or we must analyze the metal. Moreover the knowledge is not like the piece of metal, which will not change by transfer. When a teacher explains a concept to somebody and asks him to deliver it to his students, it cannot be transferred as it is.

The transfer of knowledge consists of not only the concept but also the explanation. The concept might have been transferred but nobody other than that original teacher can give the same way of explanation of the concept by which the concept pierces into the heart. Therefore to propagate the divine knowledge, the Lord Himself comes down in a human form. Arjuna said the same in the Gita “Tvadanyah…” which means that except the Lord, nobody can preach the divine knowledge and clarify all spiritual doubts.





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according to Mohammad what you saying is the most anti-islamic thoughts
no God did not channel through any Prophet
he sent them holy spirit ( angel by name of Gabriel )
which talked to them and told them what God had to say

it's important to seperate God from humans
who poop fart and eat
use your head ... not litarely
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Old 23-11-2016, 11:21 AM
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Yes, but such a man, manifesting the Divine Spirit in person or being a channel for it, must live accordingly. To 'ground' on earth the example of the nature of the Divine and the Plan for mankind - both Love.

We have a saying in England about 'talking the talking and walking the walk'. That is to say, words are easy to speak but living to the same moral code less so, but it is required.
Which is how we may discern the true from the false.
'By their fruits ye shall know them' as Jesus said.

Hi there knight.
As you say yes.
And maybe you might agree, that if someone were to have sufficient of the prime creator's (divine love/his very essence) within their soul, to be at Jesus' level of soul "quality/divinity" then it would be in their very nature to walk the walk & talk the talk of righteousness ext ext without having to practice it or to think to be that way.

Such a person would naturally act accordingly, & holyness, lovingness & mercy would simply ooze from them......SMILES....such a person simply couldn't up end the tables of the money changers & the benches of those selling doves & other animals in the temple ext ext. Or act & speak unloving or harsh to any person, as the biblical scriptures say that Jesus.... (such a person)....had done.

Regards Neil.
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Old 23-11-2016, 01:54 PM
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Firstly, the Bible is only a rough guide to what Jesus actually said, did and taught, having gone through the mill of 'editing'.

The incident in the holy temple certainly happened though. They were using the sacred sanctuary for trading / selling innocent birds and animals to be slaughtered in blood sacrifice, as if a loving God would ever want such a monstrous thing {Love sacrifice i.e. Service is the only sacrifice required to walk the Path}. The fact that the Christ resorted to such dramatic action only serves to highlight, to those who understand, the desecration of the sacred ground and the violation of the Law of Love the traders were committing.
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If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.

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Old 23-11-2016, 03:32 PM
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Firstly, the Bible is only a rough guide to what Jesus actually said, did and taught, having gone through the mill of 'editing'.

The incident in the holy temple certainly happened though. They were using the sacred sanctuary for trading / selling innocent birds and animals to be slaughtered in blood sacrifice, as if a loving God would ever want such a monstrous thing {Love sacrifice i.e. Service is the only sacrifice required to walk the Path}. The fact that the Christ resorted to such dramatic action only serves to highlight, to those who understand, the desecration of the sacred ground and the violation of the Law of Love the traders were committing.


Knight hello again.
I have been led to believe via a very reliable spiritual being, that Jesus only actually spoke in a loving tone & also acted lovingly, but adamantly, about the atrocities of cruelty to the animals.
& that was enough for the on lookers of his verbal discourse to react angrily & they themselves over turned the tables & riot & indeed it was not Jesus's doing at all...so I am led to believe.

But knight I am only relaying some info, that it would be absolutely not in the minds of beings who have such a quality of soul as those that are at one with the prime creator.

& Jesus was fully in atonement quality of soul with prime creator's way of love.

To up end tables & destroy certain persons belongings, can only come from anger not love, their is only room for love in such exalted beings soul's, darkness does not reside within them.....impossible. ... & they will always find it within themselves to act accordingly with creator's way of love....
.IT IS A NATURAL PHENOMENON FOR THEM TO ACT LOVINGLY.

Such persons could not fall from that much grace, to act out of harmony with prime creators way of love.
Their radiance mesmerizes those that they speak to, & it is with love, in harmony with prime creator's holy, loving & merciful way of love, and it is that, that is needed to have persons understand them & to know what they say is truth.

Unfortunately the on lookers to his discourse of the atrocities, acted out their anger, & that was not Jesus' intent whatsoever.

It is only the very unloving types who will not hear the words of wisdom & love from such exalted beings.

Sincere regards
Neil.
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Old 23-11-2016, 05:17 PM
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Jesus and Peter …

Jesus asked Peter about the opinion of public on Him. Peter told that some are looking Jesus as the Messenger and some are looking Jesus as Son of God. He told that he is looking Jesus as the God Himself. Three views about the human incarnation are always available and these are Dvaita, Vishishtaadvaita and Advaita. According to these three views, Jesus gave the three statements that He is the Messenger, that He is the Son of God and that He is not different from God.

This does not mean that He is changing His state from one to the other in these three positions. His three statements about Himself are given to the devotees of corresponding levels of ego and jealousy. As the ego and jealousy decrease, these three states change according to the devotee. Through out the Gita, Krishna told Arjuna that He is God and remained in the state of Advaita only. The reason for this is that Arjuna was in the lower state of Vishishtaadvaita thinking that Krishna is a partial incarnation of God Narayana.

For him, the higher state of Advaita is preached. This does not mean that Krishna is always in the highest state of Advaita and Jesus is changing between these three states. The difference in the statements of Jesus and Krishna is to be understood from the point of the other side. The other side in the case of Jesus is various devotees at different levels in different times. The other side in the case of Krishna is a single devotee, Arjuna, in a particular time only. The Bible is a collection of statements of Jesus given to various devotees in various times. The Gita is a single statement given to a particular devotee only in a particular time or situation only. Therefore, Jesus and Krishna are not different from each other in the state of human incarnation.
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Old 23-11-2016, 05:58 PM
knightofalbion knightofalbion is offline
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Knight hello again.
I have been led to believe via a very reliable spiritual being, that Jesus only actually spoke in a loving tone & also acted lovingly, but adamantly, about the atrocities of cruelty to the animals.
& that was enough for the on lookers of his verbal discourse to react angrily & they themselves over turned the tables & riot & indeed it was not Jesus's doing at all...so I am led to believe.

But knight I am only relaying some info, that it would be absolutely not in the minds of beings who have such a quality of soul as those that are at one with the prime creator.

& Jesus was fully in atonement quality of soul with prime creator's way of love.

To up end tables & destroy certain persons belongings, can only come from anger not love, their is only room for love in such exalted beings soul's, darkness does not reside within them.....impossible. ... & they will always find it within themselves to act accordingly with creator's way of love....
.IT IS A NATURAL PHENOMENON FOR THEM TO ACT LOVINGLY.

Such persons could not fall from that much grace, to act out of harmony with prime creators way of love.
Their radiance mesmerizes those that they speak to, & it is with love, in harmony with prime creator's holy, loving & merciful way of love, and it is that, that is needed to have persons understand them & to know what they say is truth.

Unfortunately the on lookers to his discourse of the atrocities, acted out their anger, & that was not Jesus' intent whatsoever.

It is only the very unloving types who will not hear the words of wisdom & love from such exalted beings.

Sincere regards
Neil.

As a matter of interest, who is this "very reliable spiritual being"?
Over on the other thread (Re the 'Is There Proof NDEs Aren't Deceptions By Satan" thread) you said, quote " I have, what I believe, to be pretty spot on proof, that near death experiences, can be and are highly influenced by dark spiritual beings" .....

Jesus was Divine, yet also human. Do you think he never felt 'anger', as any of us would when encountering cruelty or great injustice.
The purpose was to demonstrate the outrage of defiling the sacred sanctuary of the holy temple and of blood sacrifices. Maybe people should give thought to the matter, if Jesus felt that strongly about it.
In spiritual teaching terms that's making a statement and underlining it in red ink.

Lets keep things in context. When Muhammed felt 'personal' anger at the Jews of Banu Qurayza, he had the men beheaded and the women and children sold into sexual slavery.
When Jesus felt 'spiritual' anger at the Jews (in the Temple) he overturned their tables and drove them out of the Temple.
I'd say they got off pretty lightly under the circumstances.
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If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.

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Old 24-11-2016, 09:15 AM
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As a matter of interest, who is this "very reliable spiritual being"?

↑↑ I should have really said spiritual BEINGS...not spiritual BEING.
( more than one )

& no not the belief of so many earthlings, of having arch angels such as.....Michael, Ariel, ext ext those people can believe that arch angels are around them helping them with their menial day to day natural lives, whilst contrary to the natural love of the earthling the angel would be highly exalted in the divine love/very essence of creator, & the angel actually having some sort of meaningful & or sexual relationship with an earthling. ....I just can not fathom it, an angel like lets say Michael being involved with say a person here in Australia, & yet thousands upon thousands of other humans claiming the same thing, possibly most of those claims are happening simultaneously.....NOT POSSIBLE.

"No" exalted beings can be a transitioned family member or an ex neighbor, or large groups of highly exalted ex earthlings that have taken an interest in your well being because you may have started on the narrow road to gods kingdom in a most serious Manor, & they wish to be present as much as they can when they can to do their best to help such a person to stay on the divine love path with as little hindrances from dark beings as possible.

& that is about all I will elaborate on that subject of whom they are, via social media.
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Over on the other thread (Re the 'Is There Proof NDEs Aren't Deceptions By Satan" thread) you said, quote " I have, what I believe, to be pretty spot on proof, that near death experiences, can be and are highly influenced by dark spiritual beings" .....

↑↑ Yes that is correct, I did say that & it is true.
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Jesus was Divine, yet also human. Do you think he never felt 'anger', as any of us would when encountering cruelty or great injustice.
The purpose was to demonstrate the outrage of defiling the sacred sanctuary of the holy temple and of blood sacrifices. Maybe people should give thought to the matter, if Jesus felt that strongly about it.
In spiritual teaching terms that's making a statement and underlining it in red ink.

↑↑ I would say Jesus was divine yes, but are you really grasping the concept of divinity.
My understanding "OK"....we are in the physical once, & only once. We are hear because our folks desired to exercise their God given rights to create life. You & I. We didn't choose our folks & infact we couldn't because we were only ever a half of a whole sole of two components. ...ying/yang....male/female.
The soul prior to birth has no identity or any understanding of the concept of an identity, so no thoughts.
So the soul splits in two as the first half of that soul is drawn to the newly conceived being & the other half will always be drawn to an opposite sex newly conceived being not long after.

& that is why we are here because of our folks desire to create life.

Now, everyone of us, is in no way divine creatures, no part of us earthly or spiritual is in any way a divine spark....we are created as natural love beings. Of the natural love energies of the universe.

We will only ever start to be divine creatures once we start to receive into our souls the very essence of prime creator.
& it is totally up to us to activate the process, & to keep it flowing into our souls, for it to fully transform our soul into a new kind of soul.....at one with prime creator.
Our soul would be constantly transforming in response to the quantities of creator's essence flowing in.

You see the soul is being reconstructed from the natural love soul that it once was, into the devine soul......a completely different entity. ....it is becoming what most people can not grasp, this gradually changing reconstructed soul is becoming divine....ALL HOLY, ALL LOVING & ALL MERCIFUL....LIKE UNTO THE HEAVENLY FATHER, & ONE OF HIS CHILDREN ...we cease to be the original children that our earghly folks created....WE ARE ONE OF THE ELECT.

& any being can be one of the elect....you see that is another misconception, the elect are not persons/beings elected before the earthly creation, "no" they become one of the elect as they gradually transition into the divine soul.

...& never to have any emotions of unloving'ness whatsoever.
Never to ever be like an earthling ever again.
& just like Jesus you & I could achieve this highly exalted state of being whilst in the earthly physical form.
BUT...we would not have the earthly emotions & thoughts anymore. ....(in other words, we would be in the world but not of it).

So you see, this is why Jesus could not up turn the tables & cause a riot. Because his soul was at that time then & still is, not of the same construct as yours & mine.....ours is of natural man, & his is then & now of the divine being.....no darkness can reside in such an exalted soul, only the most purest love & light. & his radiance & countenance was the proof of the VEGAN pudding.....smiles.

He is the sort of fellow/being that would rather talk lovingly but adamantly, & would rather turn the other cheek rather than start a riot.

The bible is two thousand years old & belive in its every word you may.but I after my many 24/7 moment by moment soul experiences definitely does not, & infact I find probably 90% of it, "as you know what".
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Lets keep things in context. When Muhammed felt 'personal' anger at the Jews of Banu Qurayza, he had the men beheaded and the women and children sold into sexual slavery.
When Jesus felt 'spiritual' anger at the Jews (in the Temple) he overturned their tables and drove them out of the Temple.

↑↑ so you say & believe.↓↓

I'd say they got off pretty lightly under the circumstances.

But in my soul experiences, I would say that Muhammad was not anywhere in Jesus' league...I would say that anyone who created such atrocities as Muhammad is said to have done would have had many dark spiritual beings connected to him & or coming & going to & fro from him, & every single one of them were very very heavily invested in him.
& he would have not been a devine being, he would have been a man of the natural love energies.

So maybe thats a new context for you to keep it in.

JESUS WALKED THE WALK & TALKED THE TALK OF PRIME CREATORS DIVINE WAY OF ""LOVE""....HE COULD BE KNOW OTHER WAY, AS DARKNESS & ANGER (ONE & THE SAME THING) CAN NEVER RESIDE IN A FULLY TRANSFORMED SOUL....LIKE UNTO PRIME CREATORS SOUL/VERY ESSENCE....FULL OF LIGHT & LOVE.

ALL HOLY ALL LOVING & ALL MERCIFUL.

The above probably doesn't cover it all, & probably won't alter anyone's thoughts, but there you go.

& with the highest regards from me.....Neil
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Old 25-11-2016, 03:54 AM
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