Does depression have to do with something spiritually?

There's a conflict of interest when money is involved.

Western medicine is a business,they don't have your best interests at heart.

From my experience,they would rather have you hooked for life on the money gravy train via a synthetic drug,rather than dealing with the core and underlying issue/reasons.

Don't let denial be your bitter pill.

There should be more focus on holistic medicine etc,but that doesn't make money.

Period.

Why should holistic exclude Western medicine?

Dogmatism is a problem IMO, in whatever direction..

JL

Understand capitalism and one sees the exclusion.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by janielee

Why should holistic exclude Western medicine?

Dogmatism is a problem IMO, in whatever direction..

JL

Western medicine (sometimes referred to as allopathic medicine) tends to focus on the symptoms. If you go to a doctor with certain symptoms then the doctor will treat those symptoms, usually with pills, surgery, etc. The symptoms may disappear with treatment because they have been suppressed or removed, so the patient is declared to be cured. However, the underlying cause of the symptoms may never be dealt with.

Holistic medicine usually considers the whole person, body, mind and spirit, when trying to find the cause of the symptoms. It recognises that problems in one part of the body may have their origins in another part.

For example, with acupuncture a problem manifesting in the liver may have its origins in the kidneys or the lungs, based on the elements associated with each organ. The acupuncturist will check the various pulses for each organ. Something is out of balance, so by restoring the balance the problem in the liver is resolved.

Or with homoeopathy the practitioner will initially ask a lot of questions to build up an overall picture of the patient. Two patients presenting the same apparent symptoms may require different remedies, because for one patient the symptoms are worse in the morning or when lying down, while for the other patient the symptoms are worse in the evening or when upright. A Western doctor would simply consider the symptoms and give both patients the same prescription.

One factor is obviously time. Consulting a holistic doctor may require an appointment of an hour, whereas conventional doctors may be fortunate to get 15 minutes with a patient. So they have to quickly check the symptoms, diagnose a problem and prescribe a cure, and the available cures are usually some kind of pill.

National Geographic had a fascinating glimpse into the medical cabinets of different people around the world:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...-around-world/

Peace.

[Ariaecheflame]

There are an increasing amount of more holistic doctors and counsellors coming to the fray, mostly in the cities at least in my country.
A family member of mine was a naturopath and had a list of a few holistic general Practitioners reasonably close by. They do exist.
The counsellor who I see is holistic and is very eerily intuitive.
Anyway... That is if one is choosing to take that road... I am for one thankful for a mixture of modern medicine is available if I am to ever need it. It has actually caused both harm and good in my own self and family but so have some holistic approaches as well. There are real risks with any form of medicine... As well as benefits... Is what I'm trying to say.
Balance... Balance is the key.

I was very thankful for contraception too hahaha and permanent methods of contraception and sterilisation being available in the medical field or... In the interests of people who do want kids but can't... Medical support for fertility as well. Basically I am all for medical variety and individual supported self direction... As well as medical ransparency for all forms of medicine, holistic or mainstream...which is a whole other topic.
I really am not massively into having a bunch of children so... That sterilisation was a massively psychological relief for me... Well when my husband got the procedure anyways haha... Thanks modern medicine for that...though it really should be more available to women who don't want children full stop.. I'd like to he medical sterilised, there is inequity and lack of choice in the system there. Sorry... Off topic...

I was supposed to be advocating for transparency in all health practices as well as supported self direction, equity and choices.

Different strokes for different folks...

Originally Posted by iamthat

Western medicine (sometimes referred to as allopathic medicine) tends to focus on the symptoms. If you go to a doctor with certain symptoms then the doctor will treat those symptoms, usually with pills, surgery, etc. The symptoms may disappear with treatment because they have been suppressed or removed, so the patient is declared to be cured. However, the underlying cause of the symptoms may never be dealt with.

Holistic medicine usually considers the whole person, body, mind and spirit, when trying to find the cause of the symptoms. It recognises that problems in one part of the body may have their origins in another part.

For example, with acupuncture a problem manifesting in the liver may have its origins in the kidneys or the lungs, based on the elements associated with each organ. The acupuncturist will check the various pulses for each organ. Something is out of balance, so by restoring the balance the problem in the liver is resolved.

Or with homoeopathy the practitioner will initially ask a lot of questions to build up an overall picture of the patient. Two patients presenting the same apparent symptoms may require different remedies, because for one patient the symptoms are worse in the morning or when lying down, while for the other patient the symptoms are worse in the evening or when upright. A Western doctor would simply consider the symptoms and give both patients the same prescription.

One factor is obviously time. Consulting a holistic doctor may require an appointment of an hour, whereas conventional doctors may be fortunate to get 15 minutes with a patient. So they have to quickly check the symptoms, diagnose a problem and prescribe a cure, and the available cures are usually some kind of pill.

National Geographic had a fascinating glimpse into the medical cabinets of different people around the world:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...-around-world/

Peace.

Very good points, it would be nice to find a really good holistic doctor - I find it hard to discern so usually fall back on the Western doctors.

I've had good success with homeopathic medicine, and yet note how anti this some people are.

But I'm probably more with emeraldheart - a balanced approach.

Thanks.

JL

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Best to seek medical advice

Why do people place so much trust in doctors?

Doctors do a great job when dealing with some physical problems, but they are trained within a certain mind-set and there is a tendency to give out pharmaceutical pills which have all sorts of side-effects and may be addictive. Medical drugs may provide short-term relief from the symptoms, but do they cure the cause?

For those interested:

A study by researchers at Johns Hopkins Medicine says medical errors should rank as the third-leading cause of death in the United States — and highlights how shortcomings in tracking vital statistics may hinder research and keep the problem out of the public eye.

The authors, led by Johns Hopkins surgeon Dr. Marty Makary, call for changes in death certificates to better tabulate fatal lapses in care. In an open letter, they urge the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to immediately add medical errors to its annual list reporting the top causes of death.

Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. On the CDC’s official list, that would rank just behind heart disease and cancer, which each took about 600,000 lives in 2014, and in front of respiratory disease, which caused about 150,000 deaths.

Medical mistakes that can lead to death range from surgical complications that go unrecognized to mix-ups with the doses or types of medications patients receive.

But no one knows the exact toll. In significant part, that’s because the coding system used by CDC to record death certificate data doesn’t capture things like communication breakdowns, diagnostic errors and poor judgment that cost lives, the study says.

The study was published today in The BMJ, formerly the British Medical Journal.

Peace.

It is not that society places a lot of trust in doctors.

It is that society has been conditioned by those avoiding litigation from the medical establishment, that they have to include "disclaimers" when giving advice of a personal nature, and that has now pervaded and infiltrated the collective psyche to SUCH an extent, that "giving advice" means telling them to go see a psychiatrist, lest something "bad" happens as a result of their advice giving...something they could get blamed for.

It is just a tactic to cover their own backside and preserve their integrity, then having everybody else go "nice one"! and that is why they do it.

You still have a lot to learn about the "herd mentality" of human behaviour.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

It is not that society places a lot of trust in doctors.

It is that society has been conditioned by those avoiding litigation from the medical establishment, that they have to include "disclaimers" when giving advice of a personal nature, and that has now pervaded and infiltrated the collective psyche to SUCH an extent, that "giving advice" means telling them to go see a psychiatrist, lest something "bad" happens as a result of their advice giving...something they could get blamed for.

It is just a tactic to cover their own backside and preserve their integrity, then having everybody else go "nice one"! and that is why they do it.

You still have a lot to learn about the "herd mentality" of human behaviour.

I disagree. When it comes to health so many people seem willing to hand over all power to a doctor rather than exploring all available options. Nothing to do with litigation. So someone gets a cold - they go to the doctor. Why? It is just a cold. The doctor tells them to take a course of antibiotics or something and they do that.

Or a doctor prescribes pills to deal with some condition and people take those pills and then they have to get other pills prescribed to deal with the side-effects of the first pills and they end up taking a whole cocktail of pills every day. Yet they never question the whole process, because they regard doctors as the experts.

Or when it comes to cancer many people will just do what their doctor or specialist says without too many questions, even if it means having bits cut out or enduring chemotherapy or whatever. Alternatives such as ozone treatment or wheatgrass are not considered, despite the documentation supporting such treatments. I guess there is not much money to be made from wheatgrass.

Yes, this is the herd mentality - many people may not feel comfortable questioning the person regarded as an expert so they just go along with what they are told, trusting that the doctor knows best.

Even on this thread, someone says that they are depressed and others respond advising them to see a doctor. I just wonder why some people have such faith in doctors.

In some areas such as treating wounds or injuries, doctors do a great job. But when it comes to everyday health issues (including mental and emotional health) then there are alternative options.

Peace.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by iamthat

I disagree. When it comes to health so many people seem willing to hand over all power to a doctor rather than exploring all available options. Nothing to do with litigation. So someone gets a cold - they go to the doctor. Why? It is just a cold. The doctor tells them to take a course of antibiotics or something and they do that.

Or a doctor prescribes pills to deal with some condition and people take those pills and then they have to get other pills prescribed to deal with the side-effects of the first pills and they end up taking a whole cocktail of pills every day. Yet they never question the whole process, because they regard doctors as the experts.

Or when it comes to cancer many people will just do what their doctor or specialist says without too many questions, even if it means having bits cut out or enduring chemotherapy or whatever. Alternatives such as ozone treatment or wheatgrass are not considered, despite the documentation supporting such treatments. I guess there is not much money to be made from wheatgrass.

Yes, this is the herd mentality - many people may not feel comfortable questioning the person regarded as an expert so they just go along with what they are told, trusting that the doctor knows best.

Even on this thread, someone says that they are depressed and others respond advising them to see a doctor. I just wonder why some people have such faith in doctors.

In some areas such as treating wounds or injuries, doctors do a great job. But when it comes to everyday health issues (including mental and emotional health) then there are alternative options.

Peace.

I have seen hundreds of videos on complimentary medicine on youtube and every, single ONE of them jas a dosclaimer at the start not to take theor advice and education as a substotute for professional medical advice and teatment...why IS that? WHY? I would REALLY love to know...if it is not for the fact that YouTube could get sued...resulting in banning the member who does NOT have that disclaimer....aI am ALL eyes, so unless you have a BETTER edplanation as to why this happens, I shall believe all the voices in my head which explain all the reasns FOR such things as these to happen.

[Ariaecheflame]

Modern medicine just saved the life of one of my young realitives.. .they were in intensive care in a modern hospital with modern doctors who... Interestingly enough had quite a mix of treatments some which seemed quite aligned with a holistic approach. Things are slowly changing from what I have been experiencing.

I am very grateful for that fact that I could put my trust in the doctors to save the life of a person with so much ahead of them... Going ahead it seems that their treatment is pretty holistic and individualised as well. I'm all for that change.