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Old 16-03-2019, 03:19 AM
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So SeaZen, as I stated, my perception and perspective is that, for example, Adam and Eve's situation in "paradise" was more the angelic situation in contrast to the "animal/mammal" situation existent currently and since "the fall", wherein the "survival instinct" is primary. As is ego.

With respect to this? "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." No exceptions.

Connected with this is a loss of perception of there being a greater reality and truth existent also, and the illusory nature of this temporary material world. Evidenced in the horror and crime we hear in the news, newspapers, and highlighted in the many crime shows, and experienced.

You know Morph, I had time to think about this a bit, and if its is within the matrix of your perception and belief system that all have sinned then who am I to question that?

My perception and beliefs are outside of that matrix
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Old 16-03-2019, 07:13 AM
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So SeaZen, as I stated, my perception and perspective is that, for example, Adam and Eve's situation in "paradise" was more the angelic situation in contrast to the "animal/mammal" situation existent currently and since "the fall", wherein the "survival instinct" is primary

And because SeaZen has brought an older post of Morpheus's to the fore...I will comment on it.

In Morpheus's perspective, Morpheus suggests, that Adam & Eave were Angelic & in an Angelic situation....However maybe they were not.

Maybe they were in a natural situation, & of a "Natural Soulself perfection" and that the God entity was waiting for Adam & Eave to desire to be converted (transformed) into the Angelic/divine.

Below is a link to a message within the PADGETT MESSAGES".
"Note" that in the messages, that the names Adam & Eave are not used, they are refered to as Adam being "AMAN", & Eave being "AMON"
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, the "AM" at the begining of Aman & Amon is AM...& ORIGINALY, "AM" IS THE MEANING FOR THE HIGHEST CREATION OF THE GOD ENTITY.

https://new-birth.net/padgetts-messa...n-vol-2-pg121/

After clicking on the above link & reading, at the bottom of the message you will find in "red print" further reference to links of other messages regarding AMAN & AMON, in regards to their days on Earth & their fall from the state of perfection.

Regards from me...Neil...
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Old 16-03-2019, 12:08 PM
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George Bernard Shaw wrote about Adam's worry that he would be alone in the garden should Eve die. So, Adam, using his common sense bit into the apple, hoping that the result would be more comforting. And so started the human race...
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Old 17-03-2019, 07:28 PM
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And because SeaZen has brought an older post of Morpheus's to the fore...I will comment on it.

In Morpheus's perspective, Morpheus suggests, that Adam & Eave were Angelic & in an Angelic situation....However maybe they were not.

Maybe they were in a natural situation, & of a "Natural Soulself perfection" and that the God entity was waiting for Adam & Eave to desire to be converted (transformed) into the Angelic/divine.

Below is a link to a message within the PADGETT MESSAGES".
"Note" that in the messages, that the names Adam & Eave are not used, they are refered to as Adam being "AMAN", & Eave being "AMON"
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, the "AM" at the begining of Aman & Amon is AM...& ORIGINALY, "AM" IS THE MEANING FOR THE HIGHEST CREATION OF THE GOD ENTITY.

https://new-birth.net/padgetts-messa...n-vol-2-pg121/

After clicking on the above link & reading, at the bottom of the message you will find in "red print" further reference to links of other messages regarding AMAN & AMON, in regards to their days on Earth & their fall from the state of perfection.

Regards from me...Neil...

Prophecy in Revelation, and elsewhere, indicate to us that humanity will come full circle again, to that situation immediately after the fall under Christ's bodily rule on earth.
Indicating to us that humanity' s lifespan will again lengthen to hundreds of years, even to a thousand, and there will be no more conflict on earth as there is now.
And, then after this?
Once again a situation of the eternal and timeless, which apparently was the situation of Adam and Eve.

I expect that impending situation can be referred to as an "angelic" one, just as the situation in Paradise, before the fall.
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Old 17-03-2019, 07:55 PM
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Those whose hearts hold no guilt would see the face of God???


When my eldest son was a little one, I prayed for him after looking at a photograph of him and sensed something. The next day, he said that God came to him, announced himself as God and told him not to be afraid and gave him a personal message. He said God looked like a child, he saw his face. I suppose he saw God that way because he was a child. He didn't know I prayed for him. I never told him either. So, innocence would see the face of God????


Very nice. Judaism always speaks of the messengers of God, some of whom stand near the divine presence (archangels). The presence of God and the voice of God speaking to Moses is thought by many to have been an archangel on God's behalf. (Remember the angels never named themselves. We named them based on various things.)

The messengers (angels and archangels will always appear to us in ways that we can accept but the beauty is that they can interact with us in ways that we can directly apprehend, such as dreams, visions, and even seeming to taking physical human form.

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Old 19-03-2019, 05:15 PM
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Elsewhere I stated that when Jesus saw Andrew, He made the comment about him of having no guile, (deciet). Actually, that was Nathaniel, not Andrew. But, no one corrected me.
D.M., what I was saying about the world not ending up being changed for the good, has to do with what the prophesies say about Jesus coming "in the clouds of heaven", and forcibly taking over the world, wrestling it from egoic, self centered, sinful, and a greedy humanity, to institute peace, and restoration with heaven, and God's will.
Humanity will not do this on it's own out of faith.

First we are told about a catching away, or rapture, and also about an end times return of the Lord who brings heaven with Him to the world.

My thoughts were that the many saints and angels attired in white would appear as, "clouds".
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Old 19-03-2019, 06:05 PM
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Elsewhere I stated that when Jesus saw Andrew, He made the comment about him of having no guile, (deciet). Actually, that was Nathaniel, not Andrew. But, no one corrected me.
D.M., what I was saying about the world not ending up being changed for the good, has to do with what the prophesies say about Jesus coming "in the clouds of heaven", and forcibly taking over the world, wrestling it from egoic, self centered, sinful, and a greedy humanity, to institute peace, and restoration with heaven, and God's will.
Humanity will not do this on it's own out of faith.

First we are told about a catching away, or rapture, and also about an end times return of the Lord who brings heaven with Him to the world.

My thoughts were that the many saints and angels attired in white would appear as, "clouds".



' the return of the Lord who brings heaven with Him to the world '


Why wait Morpheus didn't you listen to Jesus when he said the Kingdom of heaven is within



' My thoughts were that the many saints and angels attired in white would appear as, clouds"


I must keep my eyes open, that sounds like fun
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Old 19-03-2019, 06:10 PM
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You know Morph, I had time to think about this a bit, and if its is within the matrix of your perception and belief system that all have sinned then who am I to question that?

My perception and beliefs are outside of that matrix

That's what you think. However, I am merely relating what we are told in the Word of God, and what modern physics is revealing too.
You are in the same situation as myself, and everyone else, "here".
However? True, that we can focus on a greater reality and truth other than what is merely apparent to us, and our physical senses, normally.

Your origin, and actual situation is of the angelic, and Spirit, like everyone else also.

Which is about the timeless. Since we are to understand that space is dependant on, and involved with, time, then we can understand Einstein's statement about how"reality is an illusion".

"Here" then, is illusory also. The third leg of this tripod of truth also, are the many NDE accounts we are able to read about today, in the 21st century.
None of these revelations of science, and the many anecdotal accounts however can , nor will change what the Bible tells us.
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Old 20-03-2019, 03:51 PM
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However, I am merely relating what we are told in the Word of God,

I think that belief based systems will always have room for error, this is why Scientologists, Islam, Christianity, even Buddhism will have problems. So long as people don't discover the truths pointed to, but adopt these as belief systems, there is room for misinterpretation.

IMO

JL
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Old 20-03-2019, 04:28 PM
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Very nice. Judaism always speaks of the messengers of God, some of whom stand near the divine presence (archangels). The presence of God and the voice of God speaking to Moses is thought by many to have been an archangel on God's behalf. (Remember the angels never named themselves. We named them based on various things.)

The messengers (angels and archangels will always appear to us in ways that we can accept but the beauty is that they can interact with us in ways that we can directly apprehend, such as dreams, visions, and even seeming to taking physical human form.

Peace & blessings

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Yea, I was thinking myself that it was an angel he saw all those years ago. I am glad he had the experience.
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