Psychic Vampirism in the astral and how it works. (Warning: A lot to read!)

Vampirism in itself is clearly defined. Why even ask that question?

You stated that absorbing energy from external sources is not vampirism, so I was wondering what YOU defined it as.

To most people energetic vampirism is described as "A metaphysical state of being which results in a need to pull in energy from external sources to maintain a metaphysical and physical semblance of health"

Your comment seemed to overrule that so I wanted to know whether you would specify what exactly you considered to be vampirism so that there were no further misunderstandings on either of our parts.

From what I can see you consider vampirism to only be "an energetic attack on one being by another which includes a drain of one beings energy to suppliment the other." This kind of definition is extreemly limiting.

What you state as energy addiction from vampirism not counting actually does, in fact, count as vampirism because it falls into the category of feeding off another being, does it not?

Unfortunately it is not a need, its an addiction and the way of gaining the energy is completely different to a true vamp, all of which is clear immediately to any energy worker.

So no, its not vampirism to 90% of peoples minds, but from your previous response it seems like may have a narrow and specific understanding of what vampirism is....so in your position it may count as "vampirism" even though to use such a term is highly inacurate.

Also, you are not being specific. What do you mean by these "complicated underlying reasons"? I am asking for examples and explanations.
I know how non-physical energetic systems work, how energy is lost, how it is gained, why certain energy is preferred over others.

I actually was specific, but you deigned the information as being "useless" and "not of importance."

This will not stop them from feeding off your energy. Regardless of whether you know who they are or not. I have tried befriending my own, but if you deny them energy, they can get aggressive. It doesn't accomplish much.

I am not talking about befriending. I am talking about bargaining and also about deterrants. Forms of energy that can emobilise the opponant or cut through their instinctual urges.

It's a bit close sighted to apply your experiences to everyone reading and all vampires. There are always exceptions and it would be nice if you mentioned them once in a while so people are not misled by your words.

My home is their territory? Interesting...
Somehow I feel they claim individuals as their territory.

There is a big difference between claiming something as "mine" (which to most vamps has nothing to do with food) and hunting the beings that wander into their own personal space/hunting ground.

I spoke of ways to psychically defend yourself in my original posts. There's even more you can do, just research it. The problem is, the more persistent ones can be very manipulative and deceptive.
I know plenty of people who are having the same issues as me. Regardless of how much I have read and practiced, I haven't found a permanent solution.

I wonder why you haven't found a solution. Perhaps your overlooking something important because of all of the "useless" information around you.

What good does it do to socially have an equal ground as a vampire? It doesn't make them stop feeding. That is the point I am trying to make.

I am not talking about social equality at all. I am talking about "equal ground" which is a term most vamps know. It means expressing a lack of dominance and submission while moving through one anothers personal space, its simple enough and significantly lowers any chance of being targeted simply because your both equal opponants.

I would have thought you'd know about that since you seem to be well versed with these kinds of things.

Recently, when one tried to feed off of me, I responded by pulling the energy back and absorbing most of their own. It seems like they can get sent somewhere else after they lose enough energy (an unconscious realm, I suspect). So I guess learning about energy has been the most useful tool in my case.

*Nods* At a certain point a vamp will loose consciousness, then there is about 24 hours to regain some semblance of energy and consciousness or there are severe complications.

It's a shame you went to such lengths when you could have easily gone on the defence rather than attack. What you did is considered something of a below the belt approach, no one would expect it.

Either way you look at it, leeches aren't good for you. That's what you need to understand as being the real "negative". They cause problems. Especially if you are trying to ascend, and they'll block you just so they can keep feeding. As soon as one claims you as a host, they don't let go easily.

What you need to understand is that I'm a vamp, so of course I understand these things. I'm not a fool.

Yes, an attack for energy is negative and a problem for those who cant find a solution for it, I can see that clear as day.

If you understand more about it, then you would not have the problem at all, but you seem to be set on the idea that there is no possible way to deter vampires from everyones energy permanantly....etc etc.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, there are other alternative forms of energy. If you cannot get by without getting it from another being, it is a dysfunction.

In case you havent noticed most vampires can only consume specific types of energy. They are completely specialised and nothing can change that.

Yes, its a problem, no, the reasons behind it doesnt make it any more or less acceptable to people who are unable to cope with such things.

The solution is to understand all aspects of the situation and then act in an appropriate manner to change the situation. These are two things I cannot see you doing at the moment, so perhaps you would like to try it.

I've had my say. I'm well aware that continuing on with this is pointless unless anyone has any honest questions about the subject instead of butting heads with everyone else because they have a different perspective/experience regarding energetic vampires.

Originally Posted by Sangress

You stated that absorbing energy from external sources is not vampirism, so I was wondering what YOU defined it as.

To most people energetic vampirism is described as "A metaphysical state of being which results in a need to pull in energy from external sources to maintain a metaphysical and physical semblance of health"

Your comment seemed to overrule that so I wanted to know whether you would specify what exactly you considered to be vampirism so that there were no further misunderstandings on either of our parts.

From what I can see you consider vampirism to only be "an energetic attack on one being by another which includes a drain of one beings energy to suppliment the other." This kind of definition is extreemly limiting.

Lol is it really? http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy-ab...w=1366&bih=677
Just about all of them refer to it as being stealing energy from another being. That's what vampirism is...for the umteenth time.
So how am I limiting myself by following it's definition, exactly? You're being pointlessly deceptive.

Unfortunately it is not a need, its an addiction and the way of gaining the energy is completely different to a true vamp, all of which is clear immediately to any energy worker.

No, not necessarily. Because I have stolen energy from beings the same way it was done to me. I'm not a vampire. People unconsciously exchange energy all the time.
So, what do you mean by a "true Vamp" exactly? Anyone can steal energy.

So no, its not vampirism to 90% of peoples minds, but from your previous response it seems like may have a narrow and specific understanding of what vampirism is....so in your position it may count as "vampirism" even though to use such a term is highly inacurate.

Then you might want to make up a new word. Don't redefine something that already has meaning because it might be confusing to people who read this.
Here's the Google link again:
http://www.google.ca/#pq=how+to+stea...w=1366&bih=677

I actually was specific, but you deigned the information as being "useless" and "not of importance."

You say I am inaccurate, but when I ask you for specifics for these "complicated underlying issues", you give me no real example of what you mean. For example, I'm asking for different reasons why a being would need energy, other than for the reasons I've stated ect... You've given no real examples so far. I want to see if you know what you are actually saying, and could enlighten me more.

I am not talking about befriending. I am talking about bargaining and also about deterrants. Forms of energy that can emobilise the opponant or cut through their instinctual urges.

It's a bit close sighted to apply your experiences to everyone reading and all vampires. There are always exceptions and it would be nice if you mentioned them once in a while so people are not misled by your words.

And what else would I have to go on other than reading about countless others with their experiences and their knowledge, analyzing and experimenting on my own? I've even gone to websites for vampire wannabes . You can disagree with what I say but really...Every experience I have read about exhibits too many similarities. I don't claim to know everything, but why deny what appears to be the case?

It's obvious that there must be certain characteristics that greatly distinguish one vampire from another. But they are all leeches.

There is a big difference between claiming something as "mine" (which to most vamps has nothing to do with food) and hunting the beings that wander into their own personal space/hunting ground.

What gives them this sense of entitlement to invade a persons home, attach to them, and take their life force? Surely there are enough people on this forum alone who are distressed by parasites...I guarantee most of them would not be able to tell you how they originally picked them up.
The entities around me seem to think anybody is free game, one even tried to make me follow a ritual that would make me "dedicated to her".
Surely you know these beings can be very picky about energy, and once they've found a suitable host, they stick with them until they get tired of them, energy supply changes or becomes too depleted, what ever.

I wonder why you haven't found a solution. Perhaps your overlooking something important because of all of the "useless" information around you.

The problem is their persistence. They always want to reattach, they bully, manipulate and it's difficult to keep your guard up all the time. I can only effectively defend myself as long as I can become lucid. While sleeping tonight, see if you can stay 100% lucid while your dreaming during the night. Tell me how successful you are.

I am not talking about social equality at all. I am talking about "equal ground" which is a term most vamps know. It means expressing a lack of dominance and submission while moving through one anothers personal space, its simple enough and significantly lowers any chance of being targeted simply because your both equal opponents. I would have thought you'd know about that since you seem to be well versed with these kinds of things.

If the vampire thinks it doesn't have to have an equal ground, it won't bother to compromise.
I have nothing I want from them, since I'm focused on ascension. These beings are in the lower dimensions and have nothing to offer me. They're just an obstacle. I'll become more of an equal opponent when I get better at taking energy and defending myself.

*Nods* At a certain point a vamp will loose consciousness, then there is about 24 hours to regain some semblance of energy and consciousness or there are severe complications.

It's a shame you went to such lengths when you could have easily gone on the defence rather than attack. What you did is considered something of a below the belt approach, no one would expect it.

That's extremely hypocritical. I do not feel proud of it, but I do not give them permission to steal my energy while I sleep. Good riddance.

What you need to understand is that I'm a vamp, so of course I understand these things. I'm not a fool.

Yes, an attack for energy is negative and a problem for those who cant find a solution for it, I can see that clear as day.

If you understand more about it, then you would not have the problem at all, but you seem to be set on the idea that there is no possible way to deter vampires from everyones energy permanantly....etc etc.

I said I haven't found one yet, not that there is no possible way. The only things that can separate you is spiritual planes. So theoretically you just have to ascend high enough (since vamps are in the low/mid planes), which is extremely difficult with a bunch of parasites latched onto you causing trouble and purposefully preventing you from ascending.
You know, Robert Bruce has gone through some pretty extreme defense experiments, he still gets attacked.

In case you havent noticed most vampires can only consume specific types of energy. They are completely specialised and nothing can change that.

In case you haven't read my first post, I already know this.

Yes, its a problem, no, the reasons behind it doesnt make it any more or less acceptable to people who are unable to cope with such things.

The solution is to understand all aspects of the situation and then act in an appropriate manner to change the situation. These are two things I cannot see you doing at the moment, so perhaps you would like to try it.

Their persistence is the biggest problem for me and many others. I have tried getting to know them and reasoning with them, they don't give a ****. They said that they're "desensitized" to hearing such things and said they "want what they want".

I've had my say. I'm well aware that continuing on with this is pointless unless anyone has any honest questions about the subject instead of butting heads with everyone else because they have a different perspective/experience regarding energetic vampires.

I have asked you some questions, and I'm waiting on those answers, buddy. I think the most important questions have already been answered for most people.

Also, in case you have forgotten http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&cp=9&gs_...w=1366&bih=677

Lol is it really? http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy-ab...w=1366&bih=677
Just about all of them refer to it as being stealing energy from another being. That's what vampirism is...for the umteenth time.
So how am I limiting myself by following it's definition, exactly? You're being pointlessly deceptive.

Please don't accuse me of being deceptive when I'm only stating some well known information gained from personal experience.

All members who know of or take part in the vampiric communities follow the definition I have stated, so I consider it to be the accurate one. If you want to tell me I'm "wrong" because other people define an entire state of being as a single act, then thats your choice.

I consider that choice to be limiting because it cuts you off from a greater understanding of the subject. It's a disadvantage.

No, not necessarily. Because I have stolen energy from beings the same way it was done to me. I'm not a vampire. People unconsciously exchange energy all the time.
So, what do you mean by a "true Vamp" exactly? Anyone can steal energy.

Yes everyone can drain and exchange energy to some degree, its a natural thing. But those who are not energetic vampires (meaning those who do not NEED it to maintain their health) opperate in a completely different way and take energy through altered and less effective means for completely different reasons to actual energetic vampires.

Dragging someones energy from them and blending it with your own so as to controll it as your own for a time, effectively weakening the opponent is considered a form of psychic attack. This is not what energy vampires do.

You say I am inaccurate, but when I ask you for specifics for these "complicated underlying issues", you give me no real example of what you mean. For example, I'm asking for different reasons why a being would need energy, other than for the reasons I've stated ect... You've given no real examples so far. I want to see if you know what you are actually saying, and could enlighten me more.

Alright, even though you've dismissed my previous responses and will probably dispute this one, I'll answer for the sake of being open and honest.

A couple of other reasons why some energy vampires would need to take energy to maintain their health which you did not mention are that:

- They were not created to produce any energy of their own. They are predatory beings.

- Physical or chemical proccesses in their body (and for discarnates energetic functions) may be triggered only when external energy is taken in and metabolised.

- There are "gaps" in their energetic vibration patterns which can only be bridged when an external energy is used. This stops their metaphysical form from dissapating at a rapid rate and rendering them into litteral non-existence

- They are unable to connect to the source (and many energies connected to the source) because it is harmfull to them

And what else would I have to go on other than reading about countless others with their experiences and their knowledge, analyzing and experimenting on my own? I've even gone to websites for vampire wannabes . You can disagree with what I say but really...Every experience I have read about exhibits too many similarities. I don't claim to know everything, but why deny what appears to be the case?

It's obvious that there must be certain characteristics that greatly distinguish one vampire from another. But they are all leeches.

I'm not denying what you know, I am saying there is more that you dont know and things that most people also do not know which go against your theories.

They may all be "leeches," but many take energy in ways that do not damage others and only do so with willing participants. You have not encountered this so I don't expect you to believe it....but keep it in mind for when you do encountere it, otherwise you might simply overlook it and dismiss it because it doesn't match your personal understanding of such things.

What gives them this sense of entitlement to invade a persons home, attach to them, and take their life force? Surely there are enough people on this forum alone who are distressed by parasites...I guarantee most of them would not be able to tell you how they originally picked them up.

That is not something a majority of vamps partake in. Yes, I did it in the past when I didn't know any better and I know how it works. Theres no logical thought during situations like that, its all instinct.

Before now I was refering to places in astral, rather than jumping to the physical and hunting down people.

Most vamps don't see a point in chasing down or harassing incarnates. Most of the ones who do have no choice as they are usually earthbound with no other resources to keep them stable.

The problem is their persistence. They always want to reattach, they bully, manipulate and it's difficult to keep your guard up all the time. I can only effectively defend myself as long as I can become lucid. While sleeping tonight, see if you can stay 100% lucid while your dreaming during the night. Tell me how successful you are.

I rarely dream. I usually step out of my body (OBE) and either stay in this place or go elsewhere (Astral projection.)

I keep my body shielded while it rests, if anything does attempt to infiltrate my defences I just remove them from the area and stop them from following my "scent."

Keeping a good defence would be all you need to deter such things. I could teach you first-hand if you like. But you probably wouldn't trust me enough to accept the offer, so I assume that is out of the question.

The entities around me seem to think anybody is free game, one even tried to make me follow a ritual that would make me "dedicated to her".
Surely you know these beings can be very picky about energy, and once they've found a suitable host, they stick with them until they get tired of them, energy supply changes or becomes too depleted, what ever.

The ritural experience is uncommon. It has nothing to do with anything vampiric.

I know what it is like to be unable to find a specific energy for months while your health depletes and instincts override logic. I also know what its like to find that energy and not think twice before taking as much as is needed to bring me to a natural balence. I also know what its like to know that there is a "backup" supply waiting for me should I ever want to use it.

I was exactly the same as the beings you describe when I was younger before I found other methods of fullfilling my needs.

Vamps can change, just like anyone else. It's just difficult to do without guidance and when it is so simple to simply take whatever you need because most people do not learn to defend themselves.

(My offer to personally teach you how to shield effectively is open.)

So yes, I understand exactly what you are saying, BUT these days that form of opperating is only common among a minority group of vampires.

If the vampire thinks it doesn't have to have an equal ground, it won't bother to compromise.
I have nothing I want from them, since I'm focused on ascension. These beings are in the lower dimensions and have nothing to offer me. They're just an obstacle. I'll become more of an equal opponent when I get better at taking energy and defending myself.

Seems your sense of superiority, morality and your cold sense of "justice" is stopping you in your tracks with that one (correct me if I'm wrong, either way its fine and I get it after what you've personally experienced.) I can see no true reason not to stand on equal ground because its beneficial to everyone partaking regardless of who they are.

I just like many others are aware that everything is equal and that no action/duress can depelete anyones worth/equality.

That's extremely hypocritical. I do not feel proud of it, but I do not give them permission to steal my energy while I sleep. Good riddance.

How is that hypocritical on my part (or have I misread your statement?) I was simply making a statement.

You never mentioned that many attacks occur during your sleep. This would be due to inefficient energetic protection.

I said I haven't found one yet, not that there is no possible way. The only things that can separate you is spiritual planes. So theoretically you just have to ascend high enough (since vamps are in the low/mid planes), which is extremely difficult with a bunch of parasites latched onto you causing trouble and purposefully preventing you from ascending.
You know, Robert Bruce has gone through some pretty extreme defense experiments, he still gets attacked.

Some vamps have ascended too. They have as much equal right to do so as anything else. I think you may want to re-think your methods there because unfortunately I don't think ascention is going to put much distance between anyone and vamps.

I mean, some vamps thrive on positive and higher frequency energies, so they can go to places others cant....etc etc.

Their persistence is the biggest problem for me and many others. I have tried getting to know them and reasoning with them, they don't give a ****. They said that they're "desensitized" to hearing such things and said they "want what they want".

You keep saying its their persistence, but you fail to see that they wouldn't be persisting if you were able to cope with what they are doing.

I understand how the desinsitisation can affect things and that if you need something to survive badly enough you'll go to any lengths to get them.

But there are always compromises to be made and ways of effectively dealing with the "problem" (for both parties.)

I have asked you some questions, and I'm waiting on those answers, buddy. I think the most important questions have already been answered for most people.

Also, in case you have forgotten http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&cp=9&gs_...w=1366&bih=677

I'm no buddy and no I havent forgotten that your using websites to defend yourself and your beliefs.

You can assume all you like and follow websites made by strangers that all follow a similar trend and people who all hold similar experiences and opinions whom are drawn to such sites. I have no problem with that.

I hope you realise that I'm not attempting to debunk your beliefs or make your understanding of any less worth because, as I have said, a lot of what you know has truth in it. I'm not one to say what is right or wrong either. I'm simply sharing from personal experience in the hope that you get a different broader view of something you already know a bit about.

There are two sides to every matter, I'm just the "other" side. I hope anything I've said has helped you out.

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Originally Posted by Sangress

As an energy vampire myself

Can you refer me to a post which explains why we shouldn't set Buffy on you?

Originally Posted by earthatic

Permanently? Haven't found anything yet...

Tell me about it.

Your first post is spot on IMHO.

they can only go so high, though.

Yeah but how high is that. OK I haven't met any living gurus but my energy vibrates higher than anyone I've met bar one of my mentors.
I actually think that makes me a juicier target - at least for the demon I believe to be behind the attacks on me.

A spirit told me that there are evil groups who coordinate attacks on people during certain hours when people are sleeping (witching hour) to gain energy.

I also forgot to mention that they can read thoughts of their victims and spy on them in order to gain a mental advantage (like appearing as a creature from a horror movie you've seen, a high school bully, ect...to generate fear)

Oh and impersonate a guide or Higher Self that authors recommend you believe in, or twist your intuition to open you up to future vulnerability...

This is a "Gentle Reminder"

*Nods* Got it.

Can you refer me to a post which explains why we shouldn't set Buffy on you?

Sorry I dont have one of them, but if any of you did then It'd be interesting to say the least. Lol.

Just my opinion, but I do think the picture is bigger than in the first post and that earthatic and sangress' posts together represent more quality information than one is likely to find casually. As an empath who has known some energy vampires, I've had to explore this area quite a bit. It's not as simple as drawing a big line in the sand, good and bad. Many people are completely unaware of what they are up to energetically and don't have an internal belief system to handle being told. I also think that a lot more energetic bad behavior goes on between people in ordinary human interactions every day since energy flow does mirror behavior.

Originally Posted by Sangress

Please don't accuse me of being deceptive when I'm only stating some well known information gained from personal experience.

All members who know of or take part in the vampiric communities follow the definition I have stated, so I consider it to be the accurate one. If you want to tell me I'm "wrong" because other people define an entire state of being as a single act, then thats your choice.

By trying to group it into the forms you mentioned is blatant misinformation. *sigh* Here's the link again, http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&cp=15&gs...w=1366&bih=677

How many descriptors come up as I describe them? There are many types of energy absorption, and I'm sure many "vamps" do various kinds just as a regular being would. I am not debating this. A vampric lifestyle might involve other forms of energy consumption, but vampirism itself is to feed directly off another being, because that's what it is.

Yes everyone can drain and exchange energy to some degree, its a natural thing. But those who are not energetic vampires (meaning those who do not NEED it to maintain their health) opperate in a completely different way and take energy through altered and less effective means for completely different reasons to actual energetic vampires.

Having an energy depletion, and needing a supply of energies doesn't make you a vampire because vampirism is literally the act of stealing energy from another person. Until they commit the act of vampirism, they cannot be called a vampire. I hate to sound like a broken record.

Dragging someones energy from them and blending it with your own so as to controll it as your own for a time, effectively weakening the opponent is considered a form of psychic attack. This is not what energy vampires do.

You don't need to pull in the other person's energy in order to manipulate it, but yes, that is a form of psychic attack. However, energy manipulation comes from messing with someone's chakra and meridian system.
A common thing is attachment to the solar plexus (power chakra) in order to influence a person's free will. It makes the victim easier to control. This is why a common symptom of energy parasite attachment is pain in the abdomen/lower back.
Weakening a person through energy consumption is not psychic attack in itself, it's just stealing. Although what vampires do is use methods of psychic attack in order to obtain the energy from the victim.

Alright, even though you've dismissed my previous responses and will probably dispute this one, I'll answer for the sake of being open and honest.

A couple of other reasons why some energy vampires would need to take energy to maintain their health which you did not mention are that:

- They were not created to produce any energy of their own. They are predatory beings.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Basic rule of the universe.
That reason in itself cannot make someone a vampire, or we'd all be vampires, Amiright? Nobody can produce energy on their own. They have to obtain it from external sources.
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- Physical or chemical proccesses in their body (and for discarnates energetic functions) may be triggered only when external energy is taken in and metabolised. [quote]
I've read about this so called "metabolic process" in vampires, but no source I have found described how it works. This makes me assume people who say this have no real knowledge of spiritual energy, and I'll explain why:
From what I've discovered, certain energies are only preferred by beings because it has to agree with the energy they already have within themselves.
Chakras actually work the same way within every being. Different energies effect chakras in different ways, and while a being might prefer certain energies to function, negative energies are corrosive and damaging to a beings energy system even though they can be energized by them. These negative energies alter their energy system, making them less stable energetically, emotionally and mentally.

- There are "gaps" in their energetic vibration patterns which can only be bridged when an external energy is used. This stops their metaphysical form from dissapating at a rapid rate and rendering them into litteral non-existence

Yep, I've felt these gaps and know why it is caused. The only thing that can cause this is energy blocks and imbalances. This instability is caused by consuming negative energies. You can literally see the gaps/blocks within them as dark, grey or black spots/specks within their energy system.
Here are some useful links:
http://www.pjentoft.com/f-68-darkaura-b.html
http://www.sacredhaven.co.uk/auracolours.htm

- They are unable to connect to the source (and many energies connected to the source) because it is harmfull to them

Yes, I've already stated this reason in my original post.

Somewhat curious and related... In a ghost article I read a few days ago, there is an interesting solution stated about taming an evil spirit called a Pontianak by driving a nail through the crown of their head to make them "normal" again.

I'm not denying what you know, I am saying there is more that you dont know and things that most people also do not know which go against your theories.

Hopefully after reading what I said above, you'll realize you're the one who seems to be ignorant about this issue.

They may all be "leeches," but many take energy in ways that do not damage others and only do so with willing participants. You have not encountered this so I don't expect you to believe it....but keep it in mind for when you do encountere it, otherwise you might simply overlook it and dismiss it because it doesn't match your personal understanding of such things.

I have heard about beings that feed off of positive energy, but they're supposedly very rare, so there isn't much known about them. But I haven't encountered any of that yet, and most people dealing with parasitic relationships will almost invariably tell you that they're a bad thing.

The only people I've seen defending the issue are either, 1. a Vampire (you, and SpiritCarrier - the only ones who have had a dispute with me in this thread) or 2. They don't actually understand it (you would also fall into this category)
The reason why it is damaging is because the attachments formed can make the vampire impose their own energies on the victim, and in order to obtain the energy in the first place, they'd have to provoke negative energies within the victim which is harmful. The lengths vampires may go to in order to control their victims are also detrimental to the victim.
Most types of sexual energy aren't particularly damaging, but in order to obtain more, the vampire would likely try to find ways of increasing your libido. This type of energy is a struggle to contain once aroused. Being filled with it will make you inevitably release it if it's not transmuted. A vampire can easily wear you out if they get greedy.

Chakras need energy to function. So no matter how the energy is taken, lack of energy will make you lose motivation and drive, make you depressed, groggy, and unemotional. Is that not damaging?

By now, even though you deny it, deception and misleading info conveyed by you should be more apparent to people who read this.

Before now I was refering to places in astral, rather than jumping to the physical and hunting down people.

I was referring to the RTZ, the spiritual plane neighboring the physical. So yes they can occupy physical space. How do you think houses are haunted?
The RTZ is where people are generally attacked during sleep paralysis.

Most of the ones who do have no choice as they are usually earthbound with no other resources to keep them stable.

Most psychics would agree that the most troublesome spirits ARE the the earthbound ones. And if they're not along the planes close to the Earth, they are in the underworld...which is an even more extreme form, since it is connected to greed, suffering, depression, anger, lust, fear, torture, you name it.

Most vamps don't see a point in chasing down or harassing incarnates.

Are you kidding me? If that was the case, it wouldn't be such a pervasive problem.
There is a point, because incarnates have spiritual bodies too. But to be honest, I can see why it is actually more ethical to steal from incarnates, since once their energy gets sapped, the astral bodies reflex is to return to their physical body and physical awareness. But I guess since they "don't see a point in chasing down or harassing incarnates.", you were trying to make them sound reasonable...when you steal directly from a dis-incarnate spirit, they have no physical body to go back to, so they slip into an unconscious realm. Very cruel...

I don't dream. I step out of my body (OBE) and either stay in this place or go elsewhere (Astral projection.) I keep my body shielded while it rests, if anything does attempt to infiltrate my defences I just remove them from the area and stop them from following my "scent."

Errr...Everyone naturally goes out-of-body when they dream. You're ignoring what I said.
If you are not lucid and aware, you cannot spot manipulations and thus cannot defend yourself properly. Without lucidity, you get caught up in the moment and have no directed thoughts. So when experiencing a scary dream, you'll believe it to be a real scenario rather than think "oh it's just a another negative being.." But after you wake from the dream, THEN you will realize what it was all about...but it is already too late to do something about it.
Someone can practice becoming lucid, but people only become lucid gradually toward the end of the dream (great opportunity to project).

To become lucid 100% the entire time you sleep is a very unreasonable thing to ask and is nearly impossible to accomplish every time you sleep. I have yet to hear of someone who is able to do it. I can consciously meditate into a lucid dream, but attempting it while feeling tired is very difficult.
Meditation by itself shouldn't be done while your feeling sleepy anyways.

The ritural experience is uncommon. It has nothing to do with anything vampiric.

It was to establish dedication for the purposes of vampirism. So yes it was. Again...more deception and misinformation I see
It was a manipulation tactic and all vampires have to manipulate in some way in order to gain energy, and in this case, by establishing more control over the victim.
No, I am not saying all vampires use rituals as a tool, but the the ones in my case happen to be involved in witchcraft.

I know what it is like to be unable to find a specific energy for months while your health depletes and instincts override logic. I also know what its like to find that energy and not think twice before taking as much as is needed to bring me to a natural balence. I also know what its like to know that there is a "backup" supply waiting for me should I ever want to use it.

I was exactly the same as the beings you describe when I was younger before I found other methods of fullfilling my needs.

Cool story bro

(My offer to personally teach you how to shield effectively is open.)

There are many places online that teach effective psychic defense from these beings, and psychic attacks in general. I've stated many important ones in my original post. If these sources leave important defense methods out that you feel are missing (shielding...already mentioned), it would further benefit people being targeted!

Seems your sense of superiority, morality and your cold sense of "justice" is stopping you in your tracks with that one. There is no true reason not to stand on equal ground because its beneficial to everyone.

I just like many others are aware that everything is equal and that no action/duress can depelete anyones worth/equality.

You are very judgmental, yet you know nothing of my situation. I've tried that approach, and kept it for many months. I have had success with getting rid of a certain few, but I have exhausted most of my options with the rest of them.
Because I've started doing this, I've noticed they are getting scared and feel endangered. I'm not doing this to feel a sense of "superiority", and I am not a cold person. I empathize with them, and I know them well. But showing compassion, and trying to reason with them hasn't worked with the ones who remain. They have no respect for me or my goals (which cannot be accomplished without them gone), so I am trying to ignore any regard I have for theirs. Once they find another host or not while they starve is not my problem. Their dis-function shouldn't have to effect me or anyone else.

I'm not saying everyone should do this, unless it has to be done. Frankly, I sometimes hesitate with them because I know what it does to them...plus their energy can feel gross. A good salt bath settles the feeling.

How is that hypocritical on my part? I was simply making a statement.

You never mentioned that many attacks occur during your sleep. This would be due to inefficient energetic protection.

Because it was a hypocritical statement.

Energetic defenses can be deteriorated very quickly during an attack if they're not under maintenance and reinforcement. Hard to keep up when your not lucid and unaware of what is really going on during a dream. When I'm lucid, I do just fine.

Some vamps have ascended too. They have as much equal right to do so as anything else. I think you may want to re-think your methods there.

The individual is perfectly capable of ascending, but only after being after being corrected can they ascend through their own effort and/or the help of other beings, otherwise, I do not see how this is possible due to their disfunctionalities...so are you honestly sure that is a correctly worded statement? I don't want to sound self righteous. In case anyone gets confused by reading this, you should consider what I have explained earlier.

They say in the bible, to get into heaven, you have to be perfectly good. Once you reach the Source, you are perfect and complete, but you cannot get there by rejecting it. The vamps who remain are either rejecting it, not sure how to go about correcting their situation, or simply unaware of themselves.

Demons, who are all vampires (whether preying on domination and consumption of mortals, or dis-incarnate beings) have no connection to the Source, and are only indirectly fed by consuming what is created by it. Out of ego, and because they're so set in what they are, most are not likely to change anytime soon. Many of them have stayed this way for thousands of years, and even longer. Dis-incarnate humans can follow the same fate and have.

You can try your best to help, but you'll be wasting your time dealing with the ones who are more "set". Even the ones aren't totally set, may still be out of your control. As for my situation, I do not believe they cannot be helped, but it is not within my power.

You keep saying its their persistence, but you fail to see that they wouldn't be persisting if you were able to cope with what they are doing.

I understand how the desinsitisation can affect things and that if you need something to survive badly enough you'll go to any lengths to get them.

But there are always compromises to be made and ways of effectively dealing with the "problem."

Hopefully what I have said above will change this attitude of yours.

I'm no buddy and no I havent forgotten that your using websites to defend yourself. You can assume all you like and follow websites made by strangers that all follow a similar trend and people who all hold similar experiences and opinions whom are drawn to such sites. I'm not one to say what is right or wrong, I'm simply sharing from personal experience in the hope that you get a different broader view of something you know a bit about.

There are two sides to every matter, I'm just the "other" side.

Yes, I am defending my points with sources. I understand your point of view, but what you say is very disturbing.
I am not disputing these points with you for the sake of convincing you because I know what you consider as "the other side". I have been furthering this argument so that when people compare our points (opinions aside), they'll see that you have stated quite a bit of misleading information.

Hopefully, after reading these posts, they'll be able to understand these points of view, as far as opinions go, but they will at least have an understanding of the truth.

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