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Old 26-01-2020, 05:13 AM
Phaelyn Phaelyn is offline
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From access to insight....

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your own consciousness, which entered your mother's womb at the time of your conception

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/...ousnesses.html

Glossary of Buddhism. Vijñāna (Sanskrit) or viññāṇa (Pāli) is translated as "consciousness," "life force," "mind," or "discernment."

Life force = consciousness = soul for some comfortable with those 4 letters.
The Dalai Lama said the embryo does not become life until the consciousness enters it, so he was saying consciousness = life force as well.

It is with a choiceless awareness that doors shall open and one would know a consciousness in which there is no conflict and no time - Krishnamurti
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:22 AM
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It is translated into English, just because it is not understood, it doesn’t mean that will change if the words are changed. The Buddha’s teachings are actually very precise and very skillful (caveat: corrupted by people misquoting it or not understanding it)

Also, in case you care, the definition of Buddhism consciousness you list is completely wrong. Couldn’t be farther from the Buddhist definition which really refers to all form .. in essence ..

Access to insight has plenty of definitions in English if anyone was genuinely interested.

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Hmmmmm?

How is it "translated into English" if English does not have a corresponding word for the Sanskrit word or whatever language you are referring to?

For example: what does the word विज्ञान mean in English?

And if we take the word you say it is and translate that word back in to Sanskrit will we get विज्ञान ?
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:42 AM
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Glossary of Buddhism. Vijñāna (Sanskrit) or viññāṇa (Pāli) is translated as "consciousness," "life force," "mind," or "discernment."

Life force = consciousness = soul for some comfortable with those 4 letters.
The Dalai Lama said the embryo does not become life until the consciousness enters it, so he was saying consciousness = life force as well.

It is with a choiceless awareness that doors shall open and one would know a consciousness in which there is no conflict and no time - Krishnamurti

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to revisit some very old memories,

Here is the Buddha’s teaching on consciousness

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....044.than.html

In colloquial terms, the word is used in a generic English sense. When it comes to the Buddha’s teaching on consciousness, it’s application to dependent origination, as one of the aggregates, and the truth of Anatta/dukkha/annica as it applies to consciousness, it stands as Buddha’s original definition.

For you, dear friend:

The Blessed One said: "And what is the origination of the world? Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. This is the origination of the world.

"Dependent on the ear & sounds there arises ear-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the nose & aromas there arises nose-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the tongue & flavors there arises tongue-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the body & tactile sensations there arises body-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. This is the origination of the world.

"And what is the ending of the world? Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. Now, from the remainderless cessation & fading away of that very craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering. This is the ending of the world.

"Dependent on the ear & sounds there arises ear-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the nose & aromas there arises nose-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the tongue & flavors there arises tongue-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the body & tactile sensations there arises body-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. Now, from the remainderless cessation & fading away of that very craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering. This is the ending of the world."
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:45 AM
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For jonesboy -

When this was said, a certain monk said to the Blessed One, "In what way would a monk set on this — 'It should not be, it should not occur to me; it will not be, it will not occur to me' — break the [five] lower fetters?"

"There is the case, monk, where an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma — assumes form to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form.

He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling, or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in perception. He assumes (mental) fabrications to be the self, or the self as possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self as in fabrications. He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....055.than.html
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:47 AM
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Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to revisit some very old memories,

Here is the Buddha’s teaching on consciousness

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....044.than.html

In colloquial terms, the word is used in a generic English sense. When it comes to the Buddha’s teaching on consciousness, it’s application to dependent origination, as one of the aggregates, and the truth of Anatta/dukkha/annica as it applies to consciousness, it stands as Buddha’s original definition.

For you, dear friend:

The Blessed One said: "And what is the origination of the world? Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. This is the origination of the world.

"Dependent on the ear & sounds there arises ear-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the nose & aromas there arises nose-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the tongue & flavors there arises tongue-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the body & tactile sensations there arises body-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. This is the origination of the world.

"And what is the ending of the world? Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. Now, from the remainderless cessation & fading away of that very craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering. This is the ending of the world.

"Dependent on the ear & sounds there arises ear-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the nose & aromas there arises nose-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the tongue & flavors there arises tongue-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the body & tactile sensations there arises body-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. Now, from the remainderless cessation & fading away of that very craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering. This is the ending of the world."

Would not the Buddha’s teaching on consciousness be found in Sanskrit or Pali?
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:50 AM
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Phaelyn, last one for your reflection. As to your request for people to speak to experience, the Buddha’s words are all verifiable, and whence verified, you can see the integrity of the words. No others need apply.

On one occasion Ven. Ananda and Ven. Udayin were staying near Kosambi in Ghosita's Park. Then in the evening, Ven. Udayin emerged from his seclusion and went to Ven. Ananda and exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to Ven. Ananda, "In many ways the body has been pointed out, revealed, and announced by the Blessed One [with these words]: 'For this reason the body is not-self. Can consciousness in the same way be declared, taught, described, set forth, revealed, explained, & made plain [with these words]: 'For this reason consciousness is not-self'?"

"It can... Doesn't eye-consciousness arise in dependence on the eye & forms?"

"Yes, friend."

"And if the cause & reason for the arising of eye-consciousness were to cease totally everywhere, totally in every way without remainder, would eye-consciousness be discerned?"

"No, friend."

"It's in this way, friend, that consciousness has been pointed out, revealed, and announced by the Blessed One [with these words]: 'For this reason consciousness is not-self.'

"Doesn't ear-consciousness arise in dependence on the ear & sounds?"...

"Doesn't nose-consciousness arise in dependence on the nose & aromas?"...

"Doesn't tongue-consciousness arise in dependence on the tongue & flavors?"...

"Doesn't body-consciousness arise in dependence on the body & tactile sensations?"...

Doesn't intellect-consciousness arise in dependence on the intellect & ideas?"

"Yes, friend."

"And if the cause & reason for the arising of intellect-consciousness were to cease totally everywhere, totally in every way without remainder, would intellect-consciousness be discerned?"

"No, friend."

"It's in this way, friend, that consciousness has been pointed out, revealed, and announced by the Blessed One [with these words]: 'For this reason consciousness is not-self.'

"It's just as if a man going around wanting heartwood, seeking heartwood, searching for heartwood, would take a sharp ax and enter a forest. There he would see a large banana tree trunk: straight, young, without shoots. He would cut off the roof, cut off the crown, and unfurl the coil of the stem. There he wouldn't even find softwood, much less heartwood.

"In the same way, a monk assumes neither a self nor anything pertaining to a self in the six spheres of sensory contact. Assuming in this way, he doesn't cling to anything in the world. Not clinging, he is not agitated. Unagitated, he is totally unbound right within. He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'"


https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....193.than.html

Thank you again for allowing me the circumstance to review the Buddha’s teachings, of which I am almost always, indelibly impressed.

Gassho

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Old 26-01-2020, 05:59 AM
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No, copied from Majjhima Nikaya 22.
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Old 26-01-2020, 06:04 AM
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Hmmmmm?

How is it "translated into English" if English does not have a corresponding word for the Sanskrit word or whatever language you are referring to?

For example: what does the word विज्ञान mean in English?

And if we take the word you say it is and translate that word back in to Sanskrit will we get विज्ञान ?



I think the Buddhist Translators who spend their lifetime studying Suttas know what they are doing
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Old 26-01-2020, 06:10 AM
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I like how you always just hit the bulls eye so succinctly.

Wish I had your skills


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Old 26-01-2020, 06:16 AM
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Hmmmmm?

How is it "translated into English" if English does not have a corresponding word for the Sanskrit word or whatever language you are referring to?

For example: what does the word विज्ञान mean in English?

And if we take the word you say it is and translate that word back in to Sanskrit will we get विज्ञान ?
http://www.easyhindityping.com/engli...di-translation

विज्ञान ---- Science

Science ---- विज्ञान
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