Become Born Again; Born of the Spirit - Page 3

Molearner · #21 08-01-2020, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Mixing Hindu and Buddhist beliefs and calling it Christian beliefs generally is not accepted by the masses.

BigJohn,

It is difficult why you characterize this as a mixing of Hindu and Buddhist beliefs. I did not see that sky123 referenced either of these in any way. In that regard your post stands as a false response. I will say this: Christ's death on the cross was a one-time sacrifice.....that means prior to the birth of any of us. This was the act of salvation, pure and simple. It is based in no way on either our beliefs or our actions. The problem for mankind is simply recognizing that they are saved. This is where beliefs can be helpful.....whatever one comes to believe or to understand can aid in realizing and recognizing that one is saved. Do not let a personal animosity to another lead you to putting words in another's mouth to discredit their point of view. In the final analysis this is a forum of opinions as opposed to anything resembling scientific evidence.

BigJohn · #22 08-01-2020, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Molearner

BigJohn,

It is difficult why you characterize this as a mixing of Hindu and Buddhist beliefs. I did not see that sky123 referenced either of these in any way. In that regard your post stands as a false response. I will say this: Christ's death on the cross was a one-time sacrifice.....that means prior to the birth of any of us. This was the act of salvation, pure and simple. It is based in no way on either our beliefs or our actions. The problem for mankind is simply recognizing that they are saved. This is where beliefs can be helpful.....whatever one comes to believe or to understand can aid in realizing and recognizing that one is saved. Do not let a personal animosity to another lead you to putting words in another's mouth to discredit their point of view. In the final analysis this is a forum of opinions as opposed to anything resembling scientific evidence.

I look at the matter in a different view point.

Revelation talks of wars and one in which people will be judged and many will die and of another judgement in which the last of the culling will be accomplished.

There are those who believe 'once saved, always saved' gives some one a 'ticket' that they can after being saved, do anything they feel like.

Besides, what happens to the people who refuse to be saved, will they still be saved and invalidate the prophecies of Revelation?

davidmartin · #23 08-01-2020, 10:39 PM

No Christian has to accept Revelation literally. It's down to personal choice
If you don't then yes you can think everyone gets saved eventually
Revelation can still be useful without taking it literally, especially when it talks about stars falling into the ground which is literally not possible and other fantastical things like horses running around in the sky and so on. it's a work of vision and completely open to interpret almost in any direction. and no-one can really disagree

BigJohn · #24 08-01-2020, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmartin

No Christian has to accept Revelation literally. It's down to personal choice
If you don't then yes you can think everyone gets saved eventually
Revelation can still be useful without taking it literally, especially when it talks about stars falling into the ground which is literally not possible and other fantastical things like horses running around in the sky and so on. it's a work of vision and completely open to interpret almost in any direction. and no-one can really disagree

Are you saying those who do not want to be saved, will be saved?

What is the meaning of Matthew 24:13 " but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved" if it doesn't mean some will be saved and some will not?

sky · #25 09-01-2020, 08:38 AM

[quote=BigJohn]Are you saying those who do not want to be saved, will be saved?

Why would someone not want to be saved? It has to be someone who thinks there is nothing to be saved from.... So if there is nothing to be saved from then you are saved.

BigJohn · #26 09-01-2020, 08:58 AM

[quote=sky123]

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Are you saying those who do not want to be saved, will be saved?

Why would someone not want to be saved? It has to be someone who thinks there is nothing to be saved from.... So if there is nothing to be saved from then you are saved.

Circular logic.

jojo50 · #27 09-01-2020, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyotir

What does Karma have to do with sin?

Very simply...

If "sin" is seen as ignorant intention and action, then that action necessarily generates karma.

If one becomes purely an instrument of God’s Will, then by definition they are acting in/as/through the dynamic Truth-consciousness, e.g., Divine, in the physical, and therefore not generating, not subject to karma; they are free of it. ~ J

look at you, breaking it down!

jojo50 · #28 09-01-2020, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

Are we not all predestined for salvation and if not.... what then ?

Jehovah God wants everyone to be saved, but it's up to us to want it too.

sky · #29 09-01-2020, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo50

Jehovah God wants everyone to be saved, but it's up to us to want it too.

Why would someone not want to be saved? It has to be someone who thinks there is nothing to be saved from.... So if there is nothing to be saved from then you are saved.

jojo50 · #30 09-01-2020, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

All will be redeemed regardless....

so what are saying? that regardless of how we live our lives. even if it's NOT in accord to Jehovah God and Jesus words here ,(1John 2:15-17 Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever).

and here, (Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me). we ALL still have a first class ticket to Heaven? Jesus also said this ,(Matt. 7:21 Not every one that said unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that do the will of my Father which is in heaven). so God's words shows ,if we're living a lifestyle other than what HE!... approves of, we WON'T gain salvation. MANY can fool themselves into believing so. by we must change from our wicked ways.