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Old 26-01-2020, 05:20 AM
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I think the Buddhist Translators who spend their lifetime studying Suttas know what they are doing
How can that be so?

Why are Buddhist translators not questioned whereas you question Christian translators?

Should not both groups be questioned the same?
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:22 AM
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http://www.easyhindityping.com/engli...di-translation

विज्ञान ---- Science

Science ---- विज्ञान

How come your back and forth translation is different then what janielee claimed?
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:29 AM
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No, copied from Majjhima Nikaya 22.
The expression "What makes you you. All these things make you you, but none of them are you.' You think they are you." was not copied from Majjhima Nikaya 22 but from the site I quoted or one very similar.
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:32 AM
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How can that be so?

Why are Buddhist translators not questioned whereas you question Christian translators?

Should not both groups be questioned the same?




' Should not both groups be questioned the same?[/quote] '
If you choose to.

Buddhism is about practice and seeing for yourself through experience, Christianity is about blind faith..... Very different.
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:35 AM
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' Should not both groups be questioned the same?
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If you choose to.

Buddhism is about practice and seeing for yourself through experience, Christianity is about blind faith..... Very different.[/quote]




Both Buddhism and Christianity are based on translations that can be mistranslated.

Believing in a translation that is mistranslated is in of itself blind faith for both religions.
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:38 AM
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The expression "What makes you you. All these things make you you, but none of them are you.' You think they are you." was not copied from Majjhima Nikaya 22 but from the site I quoted or one very similar.


No it was not copied from anywhere, it comes from my personal experiences. Others also have the same experiences through practice. They are just words used by millions to explain what they have realised themselves.
It refers to the Aggregates which you THINK are you but are not you.

Your Buddhist Wife/Daughter/Family will explain it to you in depth if your not understanding.
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:41 AM
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How can that be so?

Why are Buddhist translators not questioned whereas you question Christian translators?

Should not both groups be questioned the same?

A lot of popular Buddhist translations into English are terrible if you are looking for meanings according to English. The average English speaker will never get the meanings seems to me. Like we have the Dalai Lama in a video explaining we are consciousness and we give life to the embryo when we enter it around the time of birth. Then somebody reads a Loka Sutta translation and falsely thinks, oh consciousness is a delusion. Or they conclude consciousness arises as a product of dependent origination, and goes away with cessation.

The real meanings of something like the Loka Sutta can be found as an English speaker, but you have to do some real mental gymnastics to get there. But then I don't think the translators care much about conveying meaning as they probably are just trying to do a word match game and produce as many translations as possible to get more traffic to their web sites.
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:45 AM
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If you choose to.

Buddhism is about practice and seeing for yourself through experience, Christianity is about blind faith..... Very different.




Both Buddhism and Christianity are based on translations that can be mistranslated.

Believing in a translation that is mistranslated is in of itself blind faith for both religions.[/quote]


Can you point out which Buddhists Teaching has been ' mistranslated ' please.

No Buddhism is not about blind faith, didn't your Buddhist wife etc point that out to you?

Mistranslations lead to the wrong outcome and you can test this out for yourself.
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Old 26-01-2020, 05:59 AM
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A lot of popular Buddhist translations into English are terrible if you are looking for meanings according to English. The average English speaker will never get the meanings seems to me. Like we have the Dalai Lama in a video explaining we are consciousness and we give life to the embryo when we enter it around the time of birth. Then somebody reads a Loka Sutta translation and falsely thinks, oh consciousness is a delusion. Or they conclude consciousness arises as a product of dependent origination, and goes away with cessation.

The real meanings of something like the Loka Sutta can be found as an English speaker, but you have to do some real mental gymnastics to get there. But then I don't think the translators care much about conveying meaning as they probably are just trying to do a word match game and produce as many translations as possible to get more traffic to their web sites.

Perhaps it’s more like, you don’t get it, and look for rationale to justify that you have no idea what dependent origination is, and optionally choose to criticize translations and translators as the issue,

No one read the Lola sutra and thinks consciousness is a delusion, firstly because it doesn’t say that and secondly because, as I said, everything in those teachings is verifiable...lol

That’s the meaning of practice.

All these people picking and choosing words and interpretations to fit their meaning; amateurish and conceited..

As to HHDL, he is a Tibetan teacher, each system has to be read in the context of those traditions teachings. All are correct in their system of definition and context. At the end if they day, the outcomes are. Dry similar though form may look different

Your constant elucidations are ok for what they are, but they’re pretty easy, obvious points. Go study how consciousness comes about, and why all that is, is Anatta and dukkha - not through study or words, and then come to the forum to “explain” why you are the master of Buddhist translations

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Old 26-01-2020, 05:59 AM
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