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12-12-2018, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Still_Waters
Excellent post.
Gaudapada, author of the commentary on the Mandukya Upanishad, avoided all requests to explain the multiplicity of empirical experience in the universe. He simply stated (and proved if one can indeed prove such a thing by sheer logic) that this is the very nature (Unity in Diversity) of the Effulgent Being.
It seems that you have come to the same conclusion (in different words: "Duality is a PART of Non Duality and vice versa") as I have and as Gaudapada has stated.
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Thank you so much! and I thank David as well.
Yes, I was gone for quite a while there, even though I was here, so it feels good to be back to that place I never left.
I read Gaudapadacharya's Karika on the Mandukya Upanishad quite a while ago now...A few years back. There was one particular Shloka which stood out to me above all others:
अद्वैतं परमार्थो हि द्वैतं तद्भेद उच्यते ।
तेषाम् उभयथा द्वैतं तेनायं न विरुद्ध्यते ॥ १८ ॥
advaitaṃ paramārtho hi dvaitaṃ tadbheda ucyate |
teṣām ubhayathā dvaitaṃ tenāyaṃ na viruddhyate || 18 ||
As non-duality is the ultimate Reality, therefore duality is said to be its effect (Kārya or Bheda). The dualists perceive duality either way (i.e., both in the Absolute and in the phenomena). Therefore the non-dual position does not conflict with the dualist’s position.
- Gaudapada's Karika 3:18
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16-12-2018, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Ha! Quite the statement, eh?
That basically sums up ACIM... A Course In Miracles...
Well, and Ramana and Nisargadatta.
I dunno...can anything else be said after that !? Hahahahahlol
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What nothing else?
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16-12-2018, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by handy guy
What nothing else?
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What do you mean...nothing else but God? I will go on that premise.
That's right....however, the logical, rational, intellectual part of the mind
would not understand this...it is experiencial.
That's why the Buddhists so cleverly try to boggle that
logical brain/mind with their Koans...
they want that part to be switched off...
THEN, we can see something that some might call 'magical'.
Remember the very first time you finally saw the image of a jet or a whale or an elephant in
one of those 3D Prints with a multi-colored patterns? Wild wasn't it?
I particularly like this one...took me 2 seconds.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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16-12-2018, 05:11 PM
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I take the Hindu view that "There is no God but God, All is Brahman."
Therefore since Brahman is everything: He watches the murderer act, and is the murderer's victim, and is also in the knife or gun and bullet by which the act is committed. And so on ad infinitum. Only in this way can He be All-knowing.
Brahman is inert, and that is the reason why prayers to Him are futile. All requests and supplications must go through an Intermediary who will act dynamically if the subject of the prayer is approved.
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16-12-2018, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Untersberg56
I take the Hindu view that "There is no God but God, All is Brahman."
Therefore since Brahman is everything: He watches the murderer act, and is
the murderer's victim, and is also in the knife or gun and bullet by which the act is committed.
And so on ad infinitum.
Only in this way can He be All-knowing.
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WELL said!
He is the actors on the stage....but, also the seats, the audience, the air breathed!
You got it, my friend.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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16-12-2018, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
WELL said!
He is the actors on the stage....but, also the seats, the audience, the air breathed!
You got it, my friend.
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The only 'question' that is then left unanswered is: What is (said) God's Nature, Purpose, Raison D'etre, Creative Objective, whatever ... it strikes me that there are a multiplicity of possible ideas/hypotheses in that regard ... how can one 'best' relate to said 'everything' Thing's 'thing'?
Last edited by davidsun : 16-12-2018 at 09:16 PM.
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16-12-2018, 08:00 PM
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I can't see anything in that green wall of vegetation except vegetation..Just leaves and more leaves... What am I missing?
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16-12-2018, 08:51 PM
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I couldn't see anything in the vegetation either so I tried crossing my eyes for a second or two then refocused again and out popped a butterfly, well in popped a butterfly. So then I couldn't stop seeing it and shook my head and my vision went crosseyed on its own then back to normal.......HOWEVER, the colours on this website have now changed.....what the heck?
Send help lol why am I even laughing, how is that even possible?
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16-12-2018, 09:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
What do you mean...nothing else but God? I will go on that premise.
That's right....however, the logical, rational, intellectual part of the mind
would not understand this...it is experiencial.
That's why the Buddhists so cleverly try to boggle that
logical brain/mind with their Koans...
they want that part to be switched off...
THEN, we can see something that some might call 'magical'.
Remember the very first time you finally saw the image of a jet or a whale or an elephant in
one of those 3D Prints with a multi-colored patterns? Wild wasn't it?
I particularly like this one...took me 2 seconds.
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A Flutterby
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16-12-2018, 09:26 PM
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This is symbolic of the way we see the world...and YET, there is something we are not seeing....
there is something magical underneath...keep trying guys....how exciting for us here to hear you when you say you see it!
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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