Is silence synonymous with responsibility?

[Honza]

I don't get the equation between silence and responsibility. I understand that I am responsible for myself. I understand that a quiet mind brings peace and even union with God.

But how does the responsibility of being God equate with silence? I think it becomes apparent that most self-realised beings are more silent than they are responsible. One can be silent and be in union - but that does not make you as responsible as God.

Is it a dangerous equation? That silence and responsibility go hand in hand? Any thoughts?

[wstein]

I am not aware of any connection between silence and responsibility. What context did you hear that?

[Honza]

Well, I AM is a state of both complete silence and complete responsibility for oneself.

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Honza

Well, I AM is a state of both complete silence and complete responsibility for oneself.

Ok, but that does not suggest a link between the two. Pretty clear to me that one can be only silent or only responsible for ones self.

Perhaps the better question is why does 'I AM' have two components.

[Honza]

It is a funny thing.....I find my sense of responsibility keeps bumping into a brick wall. It is a bit like I try to be responsible but some 'force' shears the responsibility away. For example - try controlling the out come of rolling a pair of dice. If you roll two dice the outcome can be anywhere between rolling number 2 and rolling number 12. Theoretically a responsible being could control the outcome of their roll. But we find the dice are totally unpredictable. They fall randomly....or so it seems. But there IS some kind of force at work....the force of silence?

[Dan_SF]

Which responsibility would you like to Bear, when God is caring over you ?

(the only right answer is of your Happiness)

Complete silence makes you aware, that you made this world up, but God can save you from it. So it is your Responsibility to recognize this.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Honza

I don't get the equation between silence and responsibility. I understand that I am responsible for myself. I understand that a quiet mind brings peace and even union with God.

But how does the responsibility of being God equate with silence? I think it becomes apparent that most self-realised beings are more silent than they are responsible. One can be silent and be in union - but that does not make you as responsible as God.

Is it a dangerous equation? That silence and responsibility go hand in hand? Any thoughts?

it comes back to the free will thing. At one extreme if you are god you can control everything and make it all happen the way you want in the time you want; at the other you can step back, be silent, and allow things to be self-determining, let them learn to relate to life for themselves instead of always dictating every little detail.

This is also why the sabbath is important: the intent is to spend one day a week not stirring up the pot, so to speak. give it room to be as it is?

[blackraven]

Originally Posted by Honza

I don't get the equation between silence and responsibility. I understand that I am responsible for myself. I understand that a quiet mind brings peace and even union with God.

But how does the responsibility of being God equate with silence? I think it becomes apparent that most self-realised beings are more silent than they are responsible. One can be silent and be in union - but that does not make you as responsible as God.

Is it a dangerous equation? That silence and responsibility go hand in hand? Any thoughts?

When it applies to being quiet and listening to others, that's a responsibility I believe we all have. Can't always learn when one is running his or her mouth.

[Within Silence]

Originally Posted by Honza

It is a funny thing.....I find my sense of responsibility keeps bumping into a brick wall. It is a bit like I try to be responsible but some 'force' shears the responsibility away. For example - try controlling the out come of rolling a pair of dice. If you roll two dice the outcome can be anywhere between rolling number 2 and rolling number 12. Theoretically a responsible being could control the outcome of their roll. But we find the dice are totally unpredictable. They fall randomly....or so it seems. But there IS some kind of force at work....the force of silence?

some things are in our control, some things are not, its not one or the other.

We need to be aware of and refine those things in our control, and not be too concerned with those things out of our control.

Trying to control that which is out of our control causes oneself suffering.
Mastering the control of oneself, of that which one is in control of is the end of suffering, or at least it is diminished greatly.

Silence is silence, so what? Silence doesn't cause responsibility any more than sound causes irresponsibility.

Being born into this world one is immediately compelled by freedom and responsibility. For a time we are helpless, (as Children) and slowly as we grow older we enter into greater and greater self freedom and self responsibility.

We as humans attempt to place blame onto others, but the very act of placing it reveals who owns it, as one cannot place or give what they themselves do not own.

When we take responsibility for ourselves we then become masters of ourselves, when we do not take responsibility for ourselves and submit our minds to the thoughts/opinions/will of others, then we become mastered.

[Honza]

self mastery and the end of my suffering are not my primary goals. but I do agree that self responsibility is important.