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Let me remind everyone that many of the strongest and smartest species in the animal kingdom eat primarily plant matter, and never ever ever ever cook their food lol.. I mean ok maybe some animals do, I admit that would be impressive and a sight to see. but it would be harmful to them because that is what happens when one cooks food. they've tried it at zoos as I mentioned before and the animals got sick and died quicker. pets eat processed food and have pitifully low life spans and all kinds of health problems can be common among them.

Let's just please think for a moment or two why humans, living beings like the rest of the animal kingdom, think that cooking their food and ridiculously processing it makes it in any way superior for them? here's the thing, and that is, life feeds life. most of nature (but not all of course) feasts on living foods or as close to it as possible, or else they pass it up. there's sound logic to that and the same rule applies to humans, but we are arguably more complex and have more sophisticated abilities potentially. I personally believe that we are here to help animals live better, as well as ourselves of course. there was even some very interesting research done by a Mr Flanagan who was replicating pyramid science, and as a complete surprise, one of the awesome side effects of his studies was several pets, cat and dog, turning themselves into vegetarians just by spending time in a pyramid structure. now that may incite more silly arguments against my case lol and we are in the vegantarian section of the forum so most perusing here should be supportive of non-omnivorism, but anyways I just thought it was amazing because cats are one of the main animals we know scientifically to be obligate carnivores. yet it is possible for them to be vegetarian at least, even by choice, and some people raise their cats to be vegan and happen to do just fine with it.


sorry that this is off topic but hopefully others find it as fascinating as I did. and promising. I know there is a lot more to pyramid power and mystery, and I can't help but wonder if the bigger pyramids (which are all around the world as many may know) had anything to do with taming animals, and humans, to be more conscientious among other things. the sphinx, if it really is a cat, makes me think of that too since it's known to be associated with riddle and there are pyramids nearby. anyway that is just speculation, but I think that Mr Flanagan's research is cool and one thing that is evident is that pyramids are a source of ions. usually negative ions, aka anions, the good ones, I bring this up now, besides it being one of the main arguments for the efficacy of pyramid power in realistic practical terms, is that raw living food has negative ionic activity too. human beings do, animals do, but once you kill this stuff, positive ions start being created which is toxic and death inducing.

Actually, one of my other favorite doctors online, an awesome man I learned a lot from but that I feel has less of the full picture than Dr Morse, Dr Thomas Lodi has a couple lectures that are just dear to my heart and very informative. He does not promote or seem aware of the fruitarian culture so he just generally glorifies the vegan diet, and gives good reason why to eat living raw foods, especially in one of his lectures called Healing Disease With Life Energy, where he breaks down a variety of information about negative ions or anions, he refers to them as electrons too which you may have heard them referred to as too.
and again while I don't agree with him 100% of every single thing, he understands a lot and is a marvelous teacher. He is so sweet too, I was able to message him on facebook before, don't remember what we talked about though but his videos I am going to link are paramount. The first is Stop Building Disease, where he probably says a lot that is agreeable, but I think he puts a lot of it in an inviting and approachable even profound way. starts talking after a minute in


these lectures are long though and I don't expect anyone to watch what I share, but I think they are worthwhile so hopefully you find something of it to be too. that video is a bit more laid-back, maybe good to listen to as you lay in bed before falling asleep. I jumped around a little to remind myself of the gist of this lecture, and around 7 minutes I think he really spouts off some good wisdom if you wouldn't mind checking it out. there are two subsequent parts to this lecture if anyone is genuinely wanting to check the whole thing out and can't find them please let me know and I will link them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h6OtIRePg8


This one Healing Cancer with Life Energy discusses the electrons/ions and most of that powerpoint presentation starts at 46:30. I think this is an excellent topic for anybody interested in human health and learning how life works on this lovely planet. it is what is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h6OtIRePg8

"Cooked food requires body's voltage"


so while some foods are better for us than others and less taxing or extra beneficial as I've been trying to defend with the frugivorism idea, at the very least foods are better when uncooked and if they need to be cooked just to eat them or else they're super toxic, what is the point in eating them? because for another thing they're going to gain in toxicity when cooked just by simple law of nature, or going against it which cooking does. who could say it doesn't?
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Actually....a whole bunch of foods are more nutritious cooked than raw.

Just a few of examples out of many?

How about tomatoes? The nutrients in tomatoes are locked up in cellulose.
Cooking tomatoes increases the available nutrients 10 fold and the most nutritious tomatoes are found in things like spaghetti sauce which is cooked a lot!.

How about spinach which is considered a super green?? Almost all of the nutrients in spinach are locked up in oxalates which cooking releases.

How about Beans...like pintos , navy and red beans etc?? Same thing...cooking releases all the nutrition and soluble fiber found in beans plus makes the (incomplete) protein available for absorption.

The scientific evidence is that if humans had NOT discovered fire, cooking and the eating of animal protein including animal fats...we would have never developed the brains we have or have become the dominant species on this planet.

So while I agree that raw foods are a great part of any balanced healthy diet.....cooking is part of that equation too!



Lucky1 I tried to cover the things you are talking about earlier, though it's possible it was in another thread. but anyways, I know what you are talking about sweetie, it's just that it is non sequitur because cooking food kills it and then it becomes more and more pointless to consume it, no matter what the nutrient profile is. there are exceptions like cooking and processing of herbs and special supplements, but in general if it is considered a typical food, it should be consumed raw and fresh, or it will have unfortunate consequences attached to that cooking or improper processing.


"When we eat cooked foods, we are consuming hydrogen ions, which are positively charged and cause oxidation in the body, accelerated aging and disease of every kind."

I know that certain vitamins and minerals are increased and unlocked with cooking, in water/steam or oil even. but just because frying something could release some of its fat soluble vitamins, doesn't mean it's going to be a beneficial thing to do. now I know that there are many nutrients in foods that are cooked, and animal carcass has nutritive qualities too, but the realistic evaluation of these situations is detrimental.
Eating a human would probably be pretty good for a human too, but I'm sure you agree also ultimately not good at all lol. now the quicker you eat the human after it died the better it will be for you, or if you can get some of it while it's still alive.. this is serious stuff. just because something has certain qualities or quantities, doesn't mean it should be consumed.

Besides the ionic activity of living foods, and the taxation caused by consumption of cooked foods, as I've attempted to discuss, there are other repercussions. like the indigestion and flatulence and other unwanted side effects that occur when things such as beans or even cruciferous vegetables are eaten. I reiterate, nuts and seeds are as close to anything like those foods you want to get, and I mean commonly known nuts and seeds, even though the terms may be all over the place and some nuts are even technically actually fruits.. but those and grains (which are also less than ideal for various reasons which should be clear, though many foods thought of as grains are also really seeds) should be soaked or sprouted before being used. and that accomplishes similar to what cooking does, but it gives more life instead of taking it away.



Lucky1 the best fuel for the brain is fresh fruit. fruit has high amounts of antioxidants and all kinds of intricate nutrients, and the highest living energy volume. apparently this is measurable with equipment that can test voltage, electricity or magnetism. there is not a lot of information widely available about fructose from fruits, if you look up research about fructose most of it is about bad kinds like high fructose corn syrup or less evil versions of processed sugar. but fresh fructose in its natural form present in fruit is another story, and is actually a really cool topic the more you start understanding about it. I have a lot more to learn but so far it seems that it's got a few things going for it

it doesn't burden the body and require insulin or atp production to be utilized by the body

fruit fructose absorbs into the cell wall by process of diffusion

fruit is the easiest and quickest to digest

fruit stimulates the lymphatic system best which helps detoxify the body as it's our purification or sewage system

fruit fructose is nerve and brain fuel

the brain can even turn glucose into fructose (just discovered this concept, got more researching to do)

fruit is available with little sacrifice or death to the plants/trees which provide it unlike most other foods, and this should say a lot about the consciousness level of fruits, or as Altair said earlier in this thread, fruits seem to be the most benevolent of foods here on Earth


there is more but I think that covers it at least loosely. I would add more but I have to go and I'm sure most are put off by how much I wrote already lol sorry and I apologize is this is kind of all over the place
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It's not a vacuous term it means or implies that God/divinity made it so.


If people want to say grace or otherwise spiritualised their food, I'm all for it because it is a powerfully positive placebo effect.


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cooked foods are generally toxic


Generally, they are not toxic.


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and dead, or on their way to it. and the consequences in the human are toxifying


I only know of very small traces of toxins created when cooking at high temperatures.



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and deadifying. words schmords globulate suggests it turns into globules which are unhealthy balls of unwanted stuff,


Doesn't happen.



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kind of like what ungrounded blood looks like compared to grounded in scientific studies. same thing happens with foods that are cooked and processed inappropriately. look it up if you're unfamiliar.


There are no adverse effects of eating cooked food, and there are numerous benefits which the members have explained.


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placebo effect is actually part & parcel of human power, as may actually be proven in more scientific studies than much else. but I guess the extent or reality of placebo effect is another crazy issue to open and address. it can't work 100% for everything though


Yes, the placebo effect is powerful, so I encourage positively spiritualising food with blessings, grace or what have you. Negativising food as 'toxic' is probably not a good idea unless it's highly processed and contains concentrated extracts and artificial additives, which are well proven to have adverse effects.


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not so much, as I thought we covered with simple sugars and free amino acids...


We did. Simple carbs are fantastic and there are no 'free amino acids' in any food.


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yeah the body definitely has a problem with complex carbs such as rice, seems like you need to do more deeper research into the matter and not just keep repeating what you think you learned


I have listened to different vegan diet medics who use starchy diets for their healing strategies. Apart from that, I have never come across any research that has found complex carbs (starch) in a balanced diet present any adverse effects. If you have research on adverse effects of complex carbs, I would be interested in seeing it.


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cancer is a situation in the body where it can't work to evacuate toxins efficiently,




Cancer is a mutation in cells.



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and that is the point of what I am trying to teach you. the body has to try to deal with the waste in all kinds of crazy ways, enter symptoms and diseases such as cancer which are not what they're claimed to be. because it is all always a matter of what the body wants and doesn't want and what it can't deal with anymore, and the only way out is clearing a path or passage like I am trying to say with the lymphatic system being honored, cuz it is your sewage system like it or not, that fact must be accepted and dealt with.




But the body produces waste and has the systems to get rid of it. It's just how it works.



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and do they die? but while cooking isn't good, and using oil isn't either (though I still really do right now) stir frying is among the better cooking preparations because the vegetables are still usually crisp and more raw than most other cooking methods


I have nothing against stir fry using oils. Perfectly healthy.




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but who says that deserts existed like that or were inhabited at the forefront?




Australian Aboriginals. African Bushmen. Both of whom are very very old human populations.



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do you not know about the desertification of Africa that has been at least partially intentional even in recent years? the human diet is not a myth, I don't understand how it is so hard for you to see what the human body is designed for ideally. do you know what happens to animals in zoos or wildlife when they're fed cooked or processed food? (or foods not typically meant for them) do ya? they die prematurely.. same thing that happens to most humans eh




Throughout history people ate what their environments provided, and people have evolved in a vast array of different environment. Hence, there is no 'human diet'.


The other animals inhabited specific environments and did not inhabit a vast array of different environment like humans have done throughout history. People in all environments from mountain tops to deserts to very cold places. For example, the people of Uluru had a very different diet to the Thursday Islanders.
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Lucky1 I tried to cover the things you are talking about earlier, though it's possible it was in another thread. but anyways, I know what you are talking about sweetie, it's just that it is non sequitur because cooking food kills it and then it becomes more and more pointless to consume it, no matter what the nutrient profile is. there are exceptions like cooking and processing of herbs and special supplements, but in general if it is considered a typical food, it should be consumed raw and fresh, or it will have unfortunate consequences attached to that cooking or improper processing.


"When we eat cooked foods, we are consuming hydrogen ions, which are positively charged and cause oxidation in the body, accelerated aging and disease of every kind."

I know that certain vitamins and minerals are increased and unlocked with cooking, in water/steam or oil even. but just because frying something could release some of its fat soluble vitamins, doesn't mean it's going to be a beneficial thing to do. now I know that there are many nutrients in foods that are cooked, and animal carcass has nutritive qualities too, but the realistic evaluation of these situations is detrimental.
Eating a human would probably be pretty good for a human too, but I'm sure you agree also ultimately not good at all lol. now the quicker you eat the human after it died the better it will be for you, or if you can get some of it while it's still alive.. this is serious stuff. just because something has certain qualities or quantities, doesn't mean it should be consumed.

Besides the ionic activity of living foods, and the taxation caused by consumption of cooked foods, as I've attempted to discuss, there are other repercussions. like the indigestion and flatulence and other unwanted side effects that occur when things such as beans or even cruciferous vegetables are eaten. I reiterate, nuts and seeds are as close to anything like those foods you want to get, and I mean commonly known nuts and seeds, even though the terms may be all over the place and some nuts are even technically actually fruits.. but those and grains (which are also less than ideal for various reasons which should be clear, though many foods thought of as grains are also really seeds) should be soaked or sprouted before being used. and that accomplishes similar to what cooking does, but it gives more life instead of taking it away.



Lucky1 the best fuel for the brain is fresh fruit. fruit has high amounts of antioxidants and all kinds of intricate nutrients, and the highest living energy volume. apparently this is measurable with equipment that can test voltage, electricity or magnetism. there is not a lot of information widely available about fructose from fruits, if you look up research about fructose most of it is about bad kinds like high fructose corn syrup or less evil versions of processed sugar. but fresh fructose in its natural form present in fruit is another story, and is actually a really cool topic the more you start understanding about it. I have a lot more to learn but so far it seems that it's got a few things going for it

it doesn't burden the body and require insulin or atp production to be utilized by the body

fruit fructose absorbs into the cell wall by process of diffusion

fruit is the easiest and quickest to digest

fruit stimulates the lymphatic system best which helps detoxify the body as it's our purification or sewage system

fruit fructose is nerve and brain fuel

the brain can even turn glucose into fructose (just discovered this concept, got more researching to do)

fruit is available with little sacrifice or death to the plants/trees which provide it unlike most other foods, and this should say a lot about the consciousness level of fruits, or as Altair said earlier in this thread, fruits seem to be the most benevolent of foods here on Earth


there is more but I think that covers it at least loosely. I would add more but I have to go and I'm sure most are put off by how much I wrote already lol sorry and I apologize is this is kind of all over the place




Sure, there is no harm eating fructose in fruit. The body most likes to have a combination of fructose and glucose. Fruits contain both, so are ideal sugar sources - along with a heap of micro-nutrients.
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