Elon Musk's claims

[Moon_Glow]

I know that the Daily Mail isn't the best reference... but this article made me think

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-billions.html


What are the chances that we ARE just living in a simulation?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this article or Mr. Musk's claims?

[Deusdrum]

Really interesting claim by Mr. Musk. I think Spiritually even, when I think of it coming from that POV, it's like the 'we are not human beings having a spiritual exp., but spiritual beings..' quote, like the physical bodies we presently inhabit are like our Earth avatars, almost.

It also to me raises the question of freewill, if we are a simulation then are we programmed to behave a certain way? Are the parameters set in stone as to limits of rules allowed by the programmer/s? If what he says is true, we are already "pets" to the higher intelligence/God/s/programmer/Self/Divine/Source, or at least in a much smaller, stricter frame of reference as comp. to those/&those parts of us outside of the box.

Ultimately imo it does not make too much of a difference, only in conceptual or epistemological framework of belief. If they can prove it scientifically then over time i'd imagine it'd manage a firmer footing in establishing itself as a more valid, socially acceptable, consensus reality belief/belief system.

Basically my point being is that it should not, would not take away from who we are as human beings or otherwise; integrity, love, etc. all still remain of vital import imo in this potentially simulated computer world reality we may reside in.

Although i still maintain there is little to no difference b/t the nature of money in our world and in a video game world. Both exist as mere numbers on a screen that are assigned value that otherwise hold no inherent value other than that which we invest our belief in, although seemingly that's working out pretty well for Mr. Musk in assisting him towards the pursuit of his scientific endeavors.

Interesting article Moon Glow, thanks for sharing. Honestly haven't read the whole thing yet but wanted to capture my thoughts on it while they were still fresh in my mind.

[WabiSabi]

God is absolute. And within God, there are realities within realities within realities, side by side with realities in realities in realities. There is no end to Indra's Web. I believe Musk realizes this. The issue with words is that they are so limited and often give rise to preconceived assumptions. So when one says 'simulation', one automatically assumes technology when that may not actually be the case. But I somewhat agree with Musk when he says that the chances of our reality being the 'base' reality are very small. In my case, I believe there is no 'base' reality, never has been and never will be, seeing as a base reality implies an quantifiable beginning, and in my Understanding God is both infinite and eternal.

[rodan]

In a few years, probably around 2045, computers should be powerful enough to create virtual reality. When this happens, you won't be able to tell the difference between reality and simulation.
Living inside this simulation, if we do presently exist in one, everything would seem real to us. We are the characters. Unless you could somehow get outside the box, you will believe this is reality.

[Kontufuto]

This is just a piece of the puzzle. As I delve further into topics as: simulation (Nick Bostrom), theoretical physics (Quantum and Parallel Universes), philosophical studies of Plato and Descartes, further grasp and awareness of chakra levels above the 7th/8th I will certainly chime in and enrich this conversation with my own experiences and thoughts. While I am pragmatic by nature (at least I think I am) I think I am suited to new ideas and not get trapped by script or program. If there are new thoughts or waves of learning available I would like to be there on the forefront of its inception. That is a part of my desire and one of my purposes which start out to understand and evolve into further study and dissemination. Observation is paramount when behind the veil confronted with the actuality of existence and the inescapable certainty of what is.

[Touched]

Some very informed and interesting comments on a very esoteric topic.

Just had to say that.

[notapsychic]

On our 3D universe, there are different "universes" or levels of existence, with different time
scales, and different sizes and dimensions.
There is the "universe" of the animal size organisms, then there is the
insect level, which are from 100 to 1000 times smaller than us, then there
is the bacteria/fungi level, then the organelle level, then the atomic level,
then the subatomic particle level. There is the planetary level, stellar level,
galactic level, galactic cluster level, and universe level.

There is also the black matter universe that exists in our same universe, everywhere you go,
everywhere there is mass there is dark matter. It's like a universe within a universe.

If we all were the size of a bacteria, and even if we were bacteria, we would not have
neither the body functions nor the intelligence nor any of the tools required to comprehend that
we are indeed just so tiny to be able to graps our entire universe.
We could say we live in a simulation at this scale, but in reality we are just very down the dimensional scale of our universe.
What if our entire universe is just part of something much more bigger, and that in itself, it's a tiny
part of something much more bigger, but we don't have the tools nor the senses to acknowledge that.

Please check this video because it's what I'm about to explain next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4TkVNGwvk

Now, if you see Carl Sagan's explanation of the 2D citizens, they are not able to comprehend that they are in a 3D world
in reality, and that apple it's just the projection of a 3D object.
In our case, we are 3D citizens, living in an apparently 4D universe. Since we live in a 3D world, we don't have the tools
nor senses, nor anything required to detect, comprehend, or visualize that we are indeed in a 4D world. We can use indirect
methods, like using a clock and measuring with a ruler, but that itself does not allows us to comprehend 100% a 4D universe.
Can you point the direction where the time is flowing? You could say foreward, yes, but, in what spatial direction?
We can't point anywhere because time it's ortogonal to all 3D coordinates.
If you were a 4D being, you could easily visualize the 3D universe from a higher and priviledged perspective, and could move back
and forth in time and space instantly without a problem.

Now, ignoring string theory, I really think that our 4D universe is just a projection of higher dimension universes.
Those who are in a 5D dimension, could literally move things arround without any of us noticing or without making any sense.
For us, those 5D beings could be called gods, but those in turn could be part of a 6D universe, and so on.
Our entire 3D universe could be just a tiny spot on a 4D universe. And that entire 4D universe, could be just a tiny spot in a 5D universe,
and so on with the higher dimensions. It could be impossible for our 3D minds and tools to even remotely
wonder how the 9nth dimension would look like.
We could say that we live in a simulation, but I think that more than that, that our entire universe is just a tiny spot of some
higher dimension. Perhaps some 5D kid playing arround making 4D universes.
For a 5D being the entire life of our 3D/4D universe could be a blink of an eye.
Every dot in a 5D universe could be what we call a parallel universe.

I think that the only way to explore higher dimensions is through spirituallity, and why not, science. But science's tools
are so limited in a sense that they always stick to their 3D mindset, and if something is not 3D then it must not be real.

[Cosmic Charlie]

These (yours) comments are truly mind expanding. The starts the thinking process to recognize the is up actually up, and to question everything else for that matter !