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Old 20-01-2019, 11:04 PM
Greenslade Greenslade is offline
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Originally Posted by Ziusudra
Oh... dear...
Love comes in many shapes, colors, and depths.

Unconditional love is like in cellular, spiritual, and energy levels. It just exists w/o any thoughts, reasons, or even awareness.

Conditional love is physical and emotional levels with reasons and with full awareness. You know why you love.
Like, one loves this, that, and whoever because of whatever. - mostly due to emotional and physical needs and feelings.
Oh dear, I guess there isn't any point to carrying on.
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Old 20-01-2019, 11:05 PM
Greenslade Greenslade is offline
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Originally Posted by janielee
Unconditional Love exists - in smaller and greater capabilities.

I already said unconditional love is not emotive.
Forget I said anything at all.
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Old Yesterday, 04:32 AM
JustBe JustBe is offline
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God exists because we exist.
To have belief in creation through a source we can label and comprehend allows us to give reason to our existence and the source of creation we are. I feel in the existence of a god belief, it brings peace to this lived experience and it propels us to live more connected within and without beyond human suffering. To know there is more and something greater, weaving this thing called life, we can let go of all binds, that keep us locked into our wounds, our lack, our fears and limitations. Without a “source” beyond that state of being, we wouldn’t have a marker to aim for. The god realisation serves our needs to bridge acceptance, trust and love and joy. It gives us reason to believe in something beyond pain and suffering. It can give us a reason to live.
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Old Yesterday, 11:13 PM
Moonglow Moonglow is offline
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Originally Posted by Greenslade
Hi there Moonglow

What is a belief in God? What does that mean, really really mean? And is a belief in God any different to any other belief? If you have a belief that God exists, it is your belief. Do you believe you exist? You may have beliefs about how you exist and what you exist as, but there is still a 'you' that exists in whatever shape or form that takes. If you stop believing that you are this or that, you still exist just the same and you don't wink out of existence. When all belief in God has been suspended, then what? Do we then descend into anarchy and chaos because there is no fear for our immortal Souls if we do something wrong? Does God wink out and cease to exist? Or is God just a personification of all the virtues that you've mentioned? If God is a personification then Spirituality hasn't come such a long way after all, because the majority of the Pagan Gods were personifications of aspects of the metaphysical/Spirituality.

God the Father - that was the term Jesus was fond of. By the way, I had a look and the word "God" appears six times in the whole of the Gospel of Thomas. Jesus predominantly refers to God not so much as God but as Father, and that's a reflection of two thing. First of all it's a reflection of the consciousness at the time because Jesus would have used words that would have had the most meaning to the people he was addressing. The real understanding though is that it's a reflection of Jesus' relationship with God. So yes, he was trying to put across the concept of protector or someone that has Love for us no matter what. That's why Christianity was so popular with the down-trodden masses, the whole idea of salvation away from their hard Lives was quite appealing - just as appealing as the escapism of Spirituality.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

If God was father-like wouldn't he want us to come to the realisation that we are the Ones we have been waiting for? And while we're waiting for him, he's waiting for us.

"The secret of Buddhism is to remove all ideas, all concepts, in order for the truth to have a chance to penetrate, to reveal itself."
Thich Nhat Hanh

In his discussion there seems to be so many ideas and concepts that have been presented as truth. When our heads are full of our own narratives there's no room left for anything else, no truth can come through. The search for God always ends up in the same place regardless - inside ourselves.

Greetings Greenslade,

A belief in God, to me, is no different then any other belief. It comes off as how I may relate to it or not. Then there seems a diversity as to how and/or what God is to begin with. Which seems to differ a bit among people.

Yes, if belief is related to how it is thought to be, then it may be but a piece or what is held to. If held too tightly, then what is being held? What is thought to be known? What the group may hold as true? A fear if let go of will leave one lost or doomed?
I don't know for others. But, my view has changed over the years.

I feel there is a presence/Spirit with in and without. The idea of God the father/protected/loving seems to manifest through what we give to each other.

Yes, can agree the projection of God as protector and loving can be very appealing, suppose, to those who may feel such is not being provided by others or society.

Religious order and institutions seem to build upon foundations of what has been established. Modern Spirtuality seems no different. Through this the original intent seems to get deluded to fit the agendas and/or set beliefs of the group or institution, IMO.

There is the teaching and belief of one God, one source, one creator. What if this is not the way it goes. If Quatum Physics seem to be pointing to multi-universe, then seems to change the veiw all together. Another topic?

Well sharing a bit where my mind goes with this.

What you present brings to mind; Be still and know I am God. Expand this be still and know. All is divine if one opens the heart and mind to feel such, IMO.

The practice of stilling the mind, as I understand, is to move the self made thoughts out of the way and just be with in what is being. I know there is more to this, again another topic. But, does fall into realizing it all exists as it is at present. Being mindful of thoughts, actions, and interactions.
It's only life.
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