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28-10-2011, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteShaman
But...............are you truly "watching" the river flow by which is represented by others when you tell yourself that they are imagining the delightful story that they are sharing?
Why not watch that river go by too.............without adding water to it.
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If you are adding water to it... it is because you want it to be different...
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28-10-2011, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Gem
Imagine I made up a delightful story and in a soft wise spiritual voice told it to you, and you closed your eyes and imagined yourself as the character in the story. It's such a nice story that you feel very happy and peaceful afterward, but that soon wears off so you come back for another wonderful story.
What insight did you gain?
Of course imagining wonderful scenarios improves your mood, but does it give you insight?
If you want to see it 'as it is'... it's like watching a river flow by. You don't add water to make the river deeper, you don't imagine it sounds some other way, you do not do anything at all. You sit on the bank and simply enjoy what is there.
If you are adding water to it... it is because you want it to be different...
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Let me put it another way.
Ok, I’m here sitting on that river bank watching the river go by. I’m enjoying it……no insight though.
Wait here comes some insight………”just watch life go by and enjoy it”
Did I “imagine” that story? Did I make it up?
What possible insight could there be in just watching life go by and enjoying it?
How do you differentiate between what you see as “imagining wonderful scenarios to improve your mood” and true insights (whatever that might mean)?
I’m not following you. Care to explain further?
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28-10-2011, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteShaman
Let me put it another way.
Ok, I’m here sitting on that river bank watching the river go by. I’m enjoying it……no insight though.
Wait here comes some insight………”just watch life go by and enjoy it”
Did I “imagine” that story? Did I make it up?
What possible insight could there be in just watching life go by and enjoying it?
How do you differentiate between what you see as “imagining wonderful scenarios to improve your mood” and true insights (whatever that might mean)?
I’m not following you. Care to explain further?
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' just watching life go by and enjoying it?'
Does anyone 'just enjoy'?
Life does go by, but no one 'just enjoys' it. Sometimes there is enjoyment.
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28-10-2011, 01:34 PM
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'just watching life go by and enjoying it?'
Does anyone 'just enjoy'?
Life does go by, but no one 'just enjoys' it. Sometimes there is enjoyment.
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28-10-2011, 01:35 PM
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...Life does go by, but no one 'just enjoys' it...
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Who says no one 'just enjoys it'?
Perhaps people 'just don't feel the need to broadcast their enjoyment to everyone'. 
The again, maybe that's not entirely the case either...  |
28-10-2011, 04:33 PM
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In my view the capacity for enjoying is built-in.
We may discover we can enjoy just being
without waiting for something enjoyable to float by on the river.
Xan
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The Truth is found there and nowhere else.-Sananda
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28-10-2011, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Xan
In my view the capacity for enjoying is built-in.
We may discover we can enjoy just being
without waiting for something enjoyable to float by on the river.
Xan
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I hear you. Whenever I set out to sit by the river to enjoy it, it always seems so artificial.
Don't get me wrong, i enjoy sitting by the river but there is this other 'more real to me' enjoyment that comes with just being.
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28-10-2011, 04:39 PM
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Yes... the 'more real' enjoyment is built-in.
Of course, the river of life is always flowing. Maybe that's the one Gem means.
Xan
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28-10-2011, 07:43 PM
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Who says no one 'just enjoys it'?
Perhaps people 'just don't feel the need to broadcast their enjoyment to everyone'.
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Sometimes there is pain.
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28-10-2011, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Xan
Yes... the 'more real' enjoyment is built-in.
Of course, the river of life is always flowing. Maybe that's the one Gem means.
Xan
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Someone can move their attention, but that is NOT the only power.
I can put attention on my breath, then I can change the breath. I can stop the breath.
I can put attention on the sunrize but I can not change it. The sun will rize.
You can change the river and make a dam to stop it or change its course.
Insight is to see what is, not to change it.
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