Logical Mind fights Spiritual Mind

[cydonia1978]

Hi everyone :)

I'm excited to poke through this particular section of this forum to see what everyone has been discussing on this topic! I've been in a kind of spiritual hibernation for the past while and during that time I allowed my "logical" mind to get involved more in the science-based world. I love science and technology.. I also love proof. It was hard for me when I was in my 20's as I felt like I was being split between my spiritual mind - which wanted to just believe, trust, and be - and my logical mind - which wanted proof, facts, evidence.

Now that I'm coming out of my hibernation I find so many people either give up on science or they give up on spirituality. I think there must be a balance! I trust peer-reviewed scientific articles but I also trust in the unseen, spiritual world.

I'm not sure I have a question specifically here, I just wanted to say it's really great to see this topic in this forum and to see other spiritual people exploring the scientific side too. It's very refreshing.

[Rawnrr]

It is not a "one or the other" thing, we all use some form of logic to build our understanding, even of spiritual matters.
To study such things without logic would lead you to delusion, seriously hindering your growth

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by cydonia1978

Hi everyone :)

I'm excited to poke through this particular section of this forum to see what everyone has been discussing on this topic! I've been in a kind of spiritual hibernation for the past while and during that time I allowed my "logical" mind to get involved more in the science-based world. I love science and technology.. I also love proof. It was hard for me when I was in my 20's as I felt like I was being split between my spiritual mind - which wanted to just believe, trust, and be - and my logical mind - which wanted proof, facts, evidence.

Now that I'm coming out of my hibernation I find so many people either give up on science or they give up on spirituality. I think there must be a balance! I trust peer-reviewed scientific articles but I also trust in the unseen, spiritual world.

I'm not sure I have a question specifically here, I just wanted to say it's really great to see this topic in this forum and to see other spiritual people exploring the scientific side too. It's very refreshing.

Welcome to the forum! I think you will find many like minded people here, and yes it is refreshing isn't it? HAHA

Originally Posted by Rawnrr

It is not a "one or the other" thing, we all use some form of logic to build our understanding, even of spiritual matters.
To study such things without logic would lead you to delusion, seriously hindering your growth

OMG! You're reading my mind again, Rawn!

Personally, there is no way I can do one or the other it has to be all for one & one for all ...
I have a brain (& body) that cannot be placed on a shelf while I try to be a celestial being ...
I do believe some people try to separate the mind & soul as well as the body ...
Problem is they are meant to function as one, not as parts ...
The hope is that at some point they will learn to work them as one ...

Have you read, "What the Bleep do we Know?" ...
I mention this b/c it has a movie which I prefer ...
The first viewing, my 11 & 13yr old kids, at the time, grasped the parts they watched but went brain dead after the water test ... :laughing:
It's long, but fun to watch ...

The sciences particularly anthropology, psychology & physics define spirituality for me as well as produce the results I'm looking for ...
Just the same, I support your beliefs ...

[cydonia1978]

Oh yes, I've watched the "What the Bleep Do We Know" movie! I love it, though it's been a while so I may need to re-watch sometime.

I love science and love hearing it theorized with the spiritual world. Lately I've been following a few too many skeptics on Facebook who are TOO skeptic for me.. if they don't have solid, repeatable, studies/tests/proof then it doesn't exist for them until it does. Boo! Too strict for me! I also love proof and studies, but I also trust my spiritual knowledge/experience. It's not proof for anyone but me, but it doesn't "not exist" just because there's no scientific test (yet) to prove it. :)

Originally Posted by cydonia1978

It's not proof for anyone but me, but it doesn't "not exist" just because there's no scientific test (yet) to prove it. :)

Ah, yes, but don't you think it best to trust your instincts than to convince yourself it is something that it is not?

What is quite interesting are the many ways we evolve over a life time ...
If you're read say Jung or Freid, you'll see marked differences in their work as they aged same as those who were highly analytical to the point of being imtolerable as well as reclusive ...
Some who did go w/the natural flow of change went on to publish fascinating work even challenging or expanding upon their previous work ...
It is quite evident a great many were exploring spirituality/God in their later years ...

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by livingkarma

Ah, yes, but don't you think it best to trust your instincts than to convince yourself it is something that it is not?

What is quite interesting are the many ways we evolve over a life time ...
If you're read say Jung or Freid, you'll see marked differences in their work as they aged same as those who were highly analytical to the point of being imtolerable as well as reclusive ...
Some who did go w/the natural flow of change went on to publish fascinating work even challenging or expanding upon their previous work ...
It is quite evident a great many were exploring spirituality/God in their later years ...

I believe that's what cydonia meant. It was just worded funny.

Originally Posted by Sammy

I believe that's what cydonia meant. It was just worded funny.

My response to the discussion was to agree, to validate the PO's observations as well as his adversion to scientists who are single minded, adamant. steel trap ...
Is that okay?
I guess I should've highlighted the part of his reply I was responding to for ease of understanding by others ...

[Sammy]

It was your statement that made me say this.

Ah, yes, but don't you think it best to trust your instincts than to convince yourself it is something that it is not?

Cydonia had stated he/she was going to be trusting their own instincts more. As they were getting sick of over skepticism on their individual proofs.

Lately I've been following a few too many skeptics on Facebook who are TOO skeptic for me.. if they don't have solid, repeatable, studies/tests/proof then it doesn't exist for them until it does. Boo! Too strict for me! I also love proof and studies, but I also trust my spiritual knowledge/experience. It's not proof for anyone but me, but it doesn't "not exist" just because there's no scientific test (yet) to prove it. :)

No offense meant.

No problem ...
The first sentence was merely a statement of agreement & validation ...
Exchange of ideas, thoughts, agreements are what I know of discussions to be about ...