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Old 07-09-2016, 02:40 AM
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Edit: Please read 'Renaissance' instead of 'Reformation' in my above post. It was 20 years ago I read that information and my memory isn't that good.

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Old 07-09-2016, 08:01 PM
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Interesting and loaded with insight.

One learns interesting things....

It’s a part of the discussion I haven’t found among the outpourings of the ascensionaut teachings yet. No sense in quoting their work but if they took a more realistic view of the state of the art/science it might give a more coherent view of the task ahead, assuming they’d still see it as a task. As things stand I still see it as a religion with dogma that its followers shouldn’t question.


So inspirational. If nothing else, I hope an interested reader just passing through catches that.

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Thank you, much appreciated. Ascensionaut, that raised a smile and quite apt.

Spirituality itself has become religious dogma and often that has come down to a personal level. I personally don't think a system where beliefs are just so damned contradictory is much use at all, while we're talking about the energy of the future nobody has yet mentioned that there is no time. I can't help wonder how many have questioned their own beliefs because it only takes a little insight to see past the veneer, we might be in the Allegory of Plato's Cave but we don't have to be complete slaves to it.

It's astounding what's coming through in the fringes of science that I think could have a huge impact on the way the mainstream conscious is at the moment. A Japanese scientist who died recently was doing some studies on water and how it can capture energetic/conscious imprints. Matsaru Emoto was studying the effects of how words, prayers and music affected the chrystalline structure of water and it's a bit of an eye-opener. Words like "You make me sick" left a pattern similar to boiling treacle while words like "I Love you" left complicated geometric snowflake-like patterns. Just the simple power of words alone, nothing more. Considering we are walking, talking bags of water and we can have so much influence with just words...

A while back I was having a discussion with myself inspired by a post on high vibrations and frankly I was going around in circles. Suddenly my Guide popped in with "It is encompassing." Oh yeah! I've been quite interested in cymatics for a while but recently it's coming together better. Briefly, cymatics is the study of the effects of sound vibrations and as Tesla said, "If you want to understand the Universe think of energy, frequency and vibration." The studies have shown that sound waves produce patterns at certain frequencies, and the higher the frequencies the more complex the patterns are. Can't help but wonder if there are parallels between that and consciousness, and there are trains of thought that would say they're not so tenuous as people might think at first glance.

I'm staying with Douglas Adams; the answer to Life, the Universe, Everything is forty-two. We're not going to find the right answers until we start asking the right questions.
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Old 08-09-2016, 01:31 AM
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All people irrespective of spirituality, have beliefs formed from family,society, friends, the religion they are born into, etc that defines who they are and, in their non-ascended state, their egos require that they stick to their own paradigm to the exclusion of others in the fear that to massively change your paradigm would cause death of the ego which subconsciously they identify with their very survival.

A person will only accept someone else's paradigm if he can be influenced that it is correct and that he will benefit by it in some way (spiritually or otherwise). So the person must give good grounds why that paradigm should be accepted (as opposed to just considered and discarded as unhelpful). In that case acceptance is possible.

A simple example of getting someone to change their whole paradigm without influencing by logic/ expected benefit would be conversion of someone by force: "You accept my religion or die". In such a case the very fear of death will cause someone to change his whole paradigm since the fear of physical death becomes more immediate than the survival of one's ego.
I'm glad you started with "all people irrespective of Spirituality" because it illustrates how not-so-different Spiritual people are to the non-Spiritual, but it's really down to definitions at the end of the day.

I agree with you and would like to add that it brings something to mind immediately which I think we need to remember especially when we're talking about the energy of the future. "The Universe is not designed for failure." Even in a non-Spiritual context people's paradigms are challenged in some way or another whether that's through trauma, seeking a major change or some other cause of which there are plenty. Even the classic example of someone going through 'male menopause' and buying a sports car because they 'want to find themselves' is an escape from their paradigms and a shift in consciousness - and all consciousness is consciousness just the same.

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Agree. The energy field surrounding a person is what psychics can see and call it the aura. A person who has a dark aura does so because of low vibration and those who are highly spiritual are reputed to have a purple aura reflecting the color of the crown chakra.

So the recent discoveries of DNA emitting light is not surprising. In the past why were saints depicted with a halo around their head? It's precisely because their high vibrations produced a glow which was visible to those who had their 3rd eye open.

So no longer can the 95% DNA be termed junk DNA; I read somewhere that this 95% so-called junk DNA encodes the person's spirituality and I believe that this gets gradually unlocked as a person evolves through the higher dimensions or ascends which the whole thread is about. So a person possessing Christ consciousness would have around 80% of this DNA activated.

I can quote an example of a person with cancer in the hip where most of the joint was eaten away. He had no chances of recovery. He went and bathed in the miraculous fountain/stream in France which resulted in a gradual and complete recovery. He could walk without any pain and subsequent x-rays revealed that he had re-grown the hip joint which was considered to be medically impossible. This shows that the body has an energetic blueprint to cause the bone to grow back and take the proper shape that it was before. Again showing the hidden powers of the DNA.

Before the Reformation the heart was termed the seat of the intellect but the Reformation turned this around to make the brain the seat and that is why now pursing studies is valued more than seeking enlightenment. Those who are waking up are realizing the error in this and so we have come back full circle. How appropriate at such a crucial stage in human's history!

It has been discovered that the electric signal coming from the heart is much stronger than that coming from the brain and can be detected further from the body.

Agreed up to a point. I'm an energy person and my wife can read auras but people who are not psychic can also sense the energies of another and even at a distance. It's not a coincidence that people suddenly take it in their heads to phone someone 'out of the blue' because they get this feeling they need to contact them. I have a friend in America (I'm in Scotland) who can sense my energies with her and can sense my mood changes, she'd be the first to say she's neither Spiritual nor 'gifted' in any way.

What is known as Spiritual is an adherence to a belief system and that doesn't necessarily mean that their core frequencies are any higher than someone who doesn't. I've seen posts in these forums before where people have claimed they are Old Souls but what is reflected in their words is very different. Not everyone is on a Path of Spirituality, at least not in the context of a belief system because Spirit is far and away from any belief system for all 'practical' purposes. Spirituality isn't the only Path in town that leads to evolution for the Soul, the 'dark stuff' can too. Think of your last paragraph where you say " In him the polarities would be harmonized so duality ceases to exist" and ramp it up quite a few levels. Spirituality itself is a duality because as soon as you define yourself as a Spiritual person or there is Spirituality, by that definition you define others as non-Spiritual or there is non-Spirituality. And yes, we are talking labels but words have power, as has consciousness expressed - scientifically proven time and again.

I'm waiting patiently on the fence as regards DNA because as yet there doesn't seem to be a consensus as to what that 'junk' DNA really is. Some say it contains a complete genetic record of all our ancestors since the hominid while others say that as strands of DNA are activated we'll gain superpowers.

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Yes. I neglected to mention that the energy field from a Christ-like person can be felt much further than the confines of his physical body. It is believed that this has a positive impact on the people living in the neighbourhood.
OK, here's a simple 'party trick' that you can try for yourself, it might take a little practice at first or you might have to try it with a few different people but stick with it. Ask them to hold their hand out palm up, their feet on the floor (sitting is OK but standing is better) and put your palm a couple of inches above theirs. What you're looking for is to feel a sensation and it'll probably vary because it depends on the energy difference. It might feel as though someone is blowing gently between your palms or there might be a sensation of heat. Sometimes it can also be felt around the shoulder area. By the way, the other person doesn't have to be 'Spiritual'. And that 'positive' impact in the neighbourhood? It's quite true.

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Very good points. I'd like to add that the negative energy of people's actions since the beginning of human history has affected Gaia and since that is also an entity possessing consciousness, albeit of a lower density, it can react to 'throw off' that energy and we are now seeing those reactions in the climatic turbulence on the planet today.

Also, although 144,000 is small compared to the millions who are very negative in vibration it is considered the critical mass because positive vibrations weigh higher on the scale than negative vibrations and this 'small' number would be enough to bring about the positive changes we desire.
There's no such thing as negative energy, energy itself has no polarity and that's a stumbling block that often trips people up when it comes to a more profound understanding. If you're going to discuss Gaia as a conscious being then she's made her choices the same as we have, in her case to support Life for the sake of the evolution of the Souls who are engaged in having their experiences. While that may come across as callous it's not, it's an acknowledgement of Unconditional Love. She's actually at the same density as we are otherwise we wouldn't be standing on her but often there's a mix-up between densities and dimensions. Lower density isn't such a bad thing really because there's a higher-dimensional consciousness involved.

While I'd agree with you about the 144,000 there's a small flaw here that's down to the nature of duality and separation. For all practical and experiential purposes Spirituality is a belief system based on duality and separation, and often all you have to do is look at the posts sometimes. Spiritual people often talk of how they feel separate from others including their friends and this is where Spirituality is falling down on the critical mass stakes. Even the word itself implies duality and separation when you think about it. At the moment the 'lower vibrations' are winning this one simply because they are closer to a unity than the 'higher vibrations' are.

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Agree. It's unfortunate but these labels do create duality. They should IMO be only used for the proposes of discussion. I believe someone who is very advanced in the spiritual path would not see himself as spiritual or call himself spiritual. In him the polarities would be harmonized so duality ceases to exist.

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Ummm how do I answer that? It takes being mindful of what you say and being mindful of what intrinsic value or meaning you give it. For instance, you said "labels do create duality" and yes you're right but I'd also say that if you give those things meaning beyond being a communications aid then they will have - for you. For some positive and negative are truths, for me they're just what powers the light and within a trinity they do. Duality is this and that but in a trinity there is this, there is that and there is both. Duality gives you this versus that while the trinity puts this and that into a relationship to give you that. Suddenly it's not Spiritual versus on-Spiritual, it's realising that we are Spirit and we are here to learn and evolve Spiritually and the non-spiritual/mundane is an essential part of that equation.

What is the Spiritual Path as opposed to any other non-Spiritual Path? And is a Spiritual Path more valid or noble somehow than a non-Spiritual Path? What's perhaps more to the point, would any sane Spirit waste their time on a Path was was no use whatsoever? I'm not questioning your beliefs per se, just pointing to something. Once those 'polarities' start merging a little like the colours of the rainbow do the rest fall into place and you begin to see the trinity. There is this - Spirit - there is that - human - and there is both - evolving. This interaction is also a trinity. Father, Son and Holy Ghost; Father - God/Universe/Spirit, Son - us (we are all God's sons), Holy Ghost - consciousness.
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:20 AM
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Thank you, much appreciated. Ascensionaut, that raised a smile and quite apt.

Spirituality itself has become religious dogma and often that has come down to a personal level. I personally don't think a system where beliefs are just so damned contradictory is much use at all, while we're talking about the energy of the future nobody has yet mentioned that there is no time. I can't help wonder how many have questioned their own beliefs because it only takes a little insight to see past the veneer, we might be in the Allegory of Plato's Cave but we don't have to be complete slaves to it.

It's astounding what's coming through in the fringes of science that I think could have a huge impact on the way the mainstream conscious is at the moment. A Japanese scientist who died recently was doing some studies on water and how it can capture energetic/conscious imprints. Matsaru Emoto was studying the effects of how words, prayers and music affected the chrystalline structure of water and it's a bit of an eye-opener. Words like "You make me sick" left a pattern similar to boiling treacle while words like "I Love you" left complicated geometric snowflake-like patterns. Just the simple power of words alone, nothing more. Considering we are walking, talking bags of water and we can have so much influence with just words...

A while back I was having a discussion with myself inspired by a post on high vibrations and frankly I was going around in circles. Suddenly my Guide popped in with "It is encompassing." Oh yeah! I've been quite interested in cymatics for a while but recently it's coming together better. Briefly, cymatics is the study of the effects of sound vibrations and as Tesla said, "If you want to understand the Universe think of energy, frequency and vibration." The studies have shown that sound waves produce patterns at certain frequencies, and the higher the frequencies the more complex the patterns are. Can't help but wonder if there are parallels between that and consciousness, and there are trains of thought that would say they're not so tenuous as people might think at first glance.
Most interesting. That mechanical vibrations affect the (physical) body in ways not clearly understood is something I respect because of my involvement in sound organisation but the subject is huge to cover an infinite range in sound alone – the sounds from Nature through the man made “industrial” sounds including traffic, construction sites and everything, to music that can act in several ways, sometimes on the emotions, sometimes the senses, sometimes both, through to the more complex matter of speech.

Of music, those with a preference for (musical) impressionism have abandoned the traditional musical conventions (rhythm, melody, conventional harmony) for mood and sonic analogy - the sea, the seasons, human activities etc affecting the senses more than the intellect but with emotion drawn in, sometimes overwhelmingly. It's just one slant on that sound organisation called music.

Though sound is mainly considered the province of hearing there must be physical effects on the body if subtle. I suspect much of the auditory band is damped by bodily structure but beyond what's considered that band? Deepen and intensify the frequencies and obvious visceral effects emerge. Like the deepest notes of an organ are felt as much as heard; like the infrasonic rumble of air conditioners can cause nausea and headaches.

With speech it gets a whole lot more complicated. Conveying information is one thing but the nuances delivered with the words reach more than just the intellect. Semantics are one thing, delivery is another.

It’s still about vibration. Our ears specialise but that isn't the end of the story.

I'd say more but don't want to divert the thread (not that it would but I won't take the chance). The subject of constant frequency/amplitude sounds directly aimed to produce effects on the psyche is also of interest to me. Pure tones - sine waves with no harmonics / upper partials/ overtones. Various frequencies do seem to act. (But once more people should be very wary of the web - several sites that claim to provide pure tones don't! Sometimes they aren't even at the stated frequencies.)[/quote]




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Old 09-09-2016, 01:38 PM
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Most interesting. That mechanical vibrations affect the (physical) body in ways not clearly understood is something I respect because of my involvement in sound organisation but the subject is huge to cover an infinite range in sound alone – the sounds from Nature through the man made “industrial” sounds including traffic, construction sites and everything, to music that can act in several ways, sometimes on the emotions, sometimes the senses, sometimes both, through to the more complex matter of speech.

Of music, those with a preference for (musical) impressionism have abandoned the traditional musical conventions (rhythm, melody, conventional harmony) for mood and sonic analogy - the sea, the seasons, human activities etc affecting the senses more than the intellect but with emotion drawn in, sometimes overwhelmingly. It's just one slant on that sound organisation called music.

Though sound is mainly considered the province of hearing there must be physical effects on the body if subtle. I suspect much of the auditory band is damped by bodily structure but beyond what's considered that band? Deepen and intensify the frequencies and obvious visceral effects emerge. Like the deepest notes of an organ are felt as much as heard; like the infrasonic rumble of air conditioners can cause nausea and headaches.

With speech it gets a whole lot more complicated. Conveying information is one thing but the nuances delivered with the words reach more than just the intellect. Semantics are one thing, delivery is another.

It’s still about vibration. Our ears specialise but that isn't the end of the story.

I'd say more but don't want to divert the thread (not that it would but I won't take the chance). The subject of constant frequency/amplitude sounds directly aimed to produce effects on the psyche is also of interest to me. Pure tones - sine waves with no harmonics / upper partials/ overtones. Various frequencies do seem to act. (But once more people should be very wary of the web - several sites that claim to provide pure tones don't! Sometimes they aren't even at the stated frequencies.)





See you at Milliways. Don't be late!

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I think one of the problems we're having understanding this 'Energy of the Future' bit is that trying to fit linear thinking to a very non-linear system just doesn't work. If you go very much back to basics everything will tell you that the nature of our reality is not linear. I also don't think that you're going off track by discussing sound because that's really what it's about. Yes, it is about vibration, as Tesla said “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” Sound is the audible range of vibrations but it can be they key to so many things when you change the scale both in terms of 'size' and tones.

It's really no secret that vibrations have an effect on us, on Saturday nights people get up on the dance floor to dance to the beat, and if you listen to a thumping live band you can feel the vibes resonating with your root chakra. There are binaural tones that can produce a very trippy effect, as can Solfreggio tones. They're also producing crowd control devices that are based on sound frequencies that relax the bladder and the crowds scatter to run to the toilet. That appeals to my boyishness, sorry. And your construction sites sounds, they definitely jar the senses and not just audibly neither because that can affect our mental state and so forth. The cues are all around us and they have been for years. So, just to agree with you there.

Yes it is all about vibration, it always has been. Some have said that the Universe came into being - the word of God is sound and sound is vibration, although that doesn't always sit too well with purists. Gotta love the irony.

No, our ears aren't the full story but it's the best clue we have because it's so tangible, what it takes is to increase the frequency range.

Isn't our psyche (just to keep it simple) the origin of our Spirituality and also the place where the question of this thread comes from? I don't think we're diverting away from the point, I think we're diverting towards it. Finally.

We use the word 'vibration' all the time in Spirituality, we're trying so hard to raise our vibrations but what isn't so understood is the nature of vibration itself and the effects it has on us on so many levels. And we are vibration an energy, as it everything else in the physical Universe. "If you don't understand where you've come from you won't understand where you're going," if we don't really understand the basic building blocks of the Universe what chance do we have of ever understanding its secrets? The Universe is a symphony with all frequencies and tones all occurring at the same time - sine waves and harmonics, resonant frequencies (which is what brings us to Spirituality), undertones and overtones.

There is no 'Energy of the Future' because what's happening isn't linear and nor is it cyclic - it's riding the sine wave. Before I corrected it I type in 'sane' wave. OK Universe, I'm listening. What's happening today is the (dis)harmony of a number of sine waves and what's coming back around is what's already happened in the past. New Age Spirituality isn't new age at all, it's the same collective consciousness that existed in the times around early Christianity and people are engaging that same energy systems for the same reasons. God and thinking positive is our salvation from our suffering. The same consciousness that led to the French Revolution is happening today with the European Union, whose leaders are very bourgeois. What's happening with the Dakota pipeline has been done before to the Native American Indians where the white man is destroying their sacred sites and reneging on their treaties. Today's mainstream Spirituality is also paralleled in pre-Renaissance dogmatised Catholiscism as you've already pointed at yourself. All of that points to a sine wave for me, the passage of the cycles through our perception of time.

If you're interested in the affects of vibrations on the psyche this is a bit of an eye-opener - http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/201...ral-432hz.html Personally I'm not keen on the conspiracy theories but what it presents is certainly food for thought. When you go down that road and connect with cymatics it becomes much more interesting because it affects our physical structures as well. Going a little further down the route of harmonics - http://www.goldennumber.net/music/
Our physical bodies encapsulate the Golden Mean; the ratios of our noses to the face, those of the fingers and a few more. The Ancient Egyptians knew of it too, the pyramids are also built on that ratio. Apparently, if you use Mercury as the base the rest of the planets in our solar system are also multiples of the Golden Ratio.

The 'Word of God" has been linked to vibration and it's thought that this is what the Bible is pointing to in Genesis in that the word of God is vibration. Just to indulge in a whimsical notion, are there parallels with our own voices and the sine waves that are occurring today? Not a Universal Truth but something to think about.

Can you order me a slice of that talking pig when you get to Milliways? It'll go down well with the fireworks and help celebrate a job well done.
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In another SF forum (Predictions & Experiments), member LightSeeker said the following on a thread about the then-upcoming year, 2017:
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It is that time again dear members..As 2016 enters it's final days to look to the year ahead.

I see that the UKs exit from the EU is beset with troubles and Scotland will push for its second independence referendum and then have to apply for EU membership in its right...I am also seeing a general election in England.

Question marks hover over the new President across the pond in the US all though I see a certain cooling down of his pre election rhetoric viz a viz banning all Muslims from entering the US and the great wall of Mexico.

Mr Putin is in the Ascendant very much throughout the coming year having more influence than ever...It goes without saying almost , that North Korea will carry out some test detonations and invite further condemnation ...Their will most likely be some Saber rattling between North Korea and South Korea and another Military Exercise involving the US and South Korea..

Jacob Zuma the South African President will be charged and tried for corruption.

In Turkey we see President Erdogan strengthening his grip on power edging ever closer to dictatorship. ...

PS this thread is just for fun...Hopefully we can re visit it December 2017 and look who or what was close to are miles off the mark.

In the same thread, member natures flow posted a reply:
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Many are tired from this year [referring to 2016] through the manifestation of ongoing experiences of life creating much uprooting and awareness at a deeper level of more serious need of change. So early in 2017 we will see a gradual movement into the new. It wont affect till around mid year, when the chaos of the past 12 months really leaves for good.

Around mid year, there will be an influx of new ideas from all over the world. We will hear and see some major changes in relation to living in new ways to sustain and build a more viable and eco friendly way of life. Younger people with new fresh ideas will be at the forefront of this new way of living. There input will affect some greater and more lasting change. The old world order will realize they either get on board or fizzle out. More and more people will recognize the need for a more sustainable and more earth friendly way of living. The ideas brought forward will stretch from one country to the other bringing countries together in this way like never before. This will be more powerful than politics.

It will be through this wave of new souls gathering speed and manifesting greater results in caring for the earth that politicians will have to back down and listen, get on board and do what is necessary to bring this change into being.

The earth and its care will be at the forefront of everything from mid next year which will build gradually over the next ten years.
Now, of course, that is interesting... and hopeful. And, though federal politics in the U.S. (current gov't) isn't going this direction, we'll see what we shall see. (And I'll avoid any discussion of politics itself — this is all merely about prediction and the energy that moves us humans into the future.)

So, on the topic of signs suggesting a 'greener' direction, this is worth considering: The inventor of the lithium-ion battery has led a research team to develop a far better battery with fantastic implications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAg_8iCLIIw

Most people here probably know that lithium-ion cells (batteries) became important and very common in our everyday lives (cell phones, laptops, portable power tools, etc... many things). The chief scientist behind that invention feels the new battery will be far more efficient, quicker to charge, safer, and generally better. I’m interested in this not so much for cell phones and personal computers, but more for off-grid and decentralized power production/storage, electric vehicles, etc. Implications are huge in the energy production/consumption sphere.

Leader of inventing team answers critics here: [url]http://www.computerworld.com/article/3183670/computer-hardware/inventor-of-new-lithium-ion-battery-responds-to-skepticism.html
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Hello,

I loved reading that,thank you very much for posting it.

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There are problems with this belief...I've heard it many times. But...
The planet is a finite resource trying to serve and exponentially increasing population. I think it was around the 1980s some time when we started taking more than we put back and the population has more than doubled since then. Industrialisation has meant pillaging the ecology enough to cause adjustments that do not favour humanity.
I can agree that human population levels present great challenges. But the curve of human population growth has been gradually tending toward horizontality for a couple decades. with respect to present projections, and taking the period 1900-2050 into consideration, growth shows an S curve. IOW, human population is still growing, but the rate is diminishing and is no longer exponential.

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Climate change is one. I've long reckoned that humans can no longer claim no part in it. Whenever someone does something to the ecology it adjusts and those adjustments eventually reach worldwide. Build a new city, raze a forest and the air currents above them are forced to change. Those air currents aren't walled around the area concerned. They reach out and change surrounding patterns, etc. (and on) so that now, we can't even guarantee where we can bring a crop to harvest. (Ok, the subject is a little bigger than this but if I may, I'll leave it there.)
I agree, climate change is a very serious matter. I live in a "natural environment" (forested mountain valley) and our lifestyles here put us in direct contact with evidence of shifting climate.

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Yes it's true we are in resource debt now where we are consuming more than is available on the planet. Unfortunately, this will continue for some time and many will be probably die of starvation, disease, etc until the population is naturally reduced where there is enough for everybody.

Many of us will go through hardships and deprivations but if you consider the amount of food we are wasting over the planet (I read recently that 20% of the food is thrown away in the US. ever year) we can take steps to eliminate this wastage starting in our own homes.

Recently I even read that a certain town/city has introduced a policy to to fine people in restaurants who don't eat all their food so people are becoming more aware of this and are beginning to take steps to lessen it.

I want to give an example of what I do: I have started to eat less and I am always hungry; this is because I found it helps me on my spiritual journey. I live in a country where rice is the staple diet; while eating rice, if a grain falls on the table/floor I pick it up and eat it after rinsing it. It is easy to do because I know that eating that one grain of rice will just give me that little bit more energy which my body may need and also I am not wasting food.

People who are ascending will all have enough consciousness to stop wasting food or needlessly buying commercial products (like the new Samsung phone even though their old one works perfectly- again doing what the elite have programmed us to do through their deliberate plan to glorify consummerism through their constant advertisements after the advent of TV ).

They will also spend of their wealth in helping the poor when possible because part of the ascension process involves growing in love and generosity.

If you have enough and you see your neighbour starving, why not help him? It's a great way to speed up your process of enlightenment.

I think we are seeing this type of generosity taking place more and more on the planet. This will be the future.

The only people who will not do this are those who are not ascending and those who are oriented towards service-to-self but they will eventually depart the planet any way.
This resonates well with me. Your personal commitments and practices are admirable.

There are other "alternatives" too, depending on where one lives. For the greater part of my life, I've grown at least some of my household's food by organic methods. For instance, we have about 5000 sq ft (465 sq m) devoted to vegetables & fruit. The majority of households in our community are raising food at some level (and in some variety: vegetables, fruit, livestock). Like a number of my friends, we give surplus to the local food bank. My community is pretty good on recycling too, and few people are keep-up-with-the-Joneses (or addicted) consumers.


In any case, all these sorts of considerations are relevant to my personal way of pondering "the energy of the future" or entertaining the idea of "a shift". In other words, while I realize that some people consider "the shift" to be a shift into another (e.g., non-physical) dimension, I concern myself with the spiritual aspect and the homo sapiens or civilization aspect
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The asteroid. (Some refer to it as the 2012 Asteroid)
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ne...s-earth/87419/

From the video description: "Discovered on October 5, 2012, by the PanSTARRS observatory in Hawaii, this roughly 16 metre-wide asteroid made a close pass by Earth at the time - around 95,000 km away, or roughly one-quarter the distance to the Moon. A quick trace of its orbital path, then, showed that it was going to make a return visit on October 12, 2017, possibly coming even closer to our planet during that pass. One thing astronomers knew for sure, though, it was no threat to Earth then, and it was no threat to us in the future, as well."
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