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Old 22-12-2017, 08:50 PM
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Ajahn Chah once explained (I do think it's meant to be understood from within his tradition) That the observed contradictions he seemed to teach were not there.
Imagine someone traveling a mountain pass and there are ravines on both sides. When one is about to fall of to the right he will shout Go left Go left. To keep them from falling off the right side. similarly when someone is about to fall of the left side he will shout. Go right Go right.

This is different than go right to Cessation or go left to be a Bodhisattva.

Anyway Just my 2 cts.

I'll be taking time off from posting for a couple of weeks so wishing you all a merry x-mas, and a fruitful new year.
See y'all on the flip side..

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Love Ajahn Chah's teachings - what a teacher!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year also.

FWIW the Bodhisattva vow is congruent with cessation of dukkha IMO because its effectiveness (of the cessation of dukkha) is borne through service and no harm. Ultimately Theravada also teaches on metta at length, and if you think about it, if one person genuinely had loving kindness in their heart, would they not care about others and say things like "not my problem" to the world's woes or another's suffering.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Eelco, that to follow one path is sufficient.
When we discuss different traditions and how to align concepts, it is more for interest and academic fun more than anything.

To mix and dabble cross traditions is unhelpful because each system is designed with a particular mode / it has a system of characteristics/teachings and methods to help each student/genuine practitioner attain enlightenment and ultimately Nibbana, which is in my limited experience, real and the cessation of dukkha, which is what the Buddha penetrated.

Take care

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Old 22-12-2017, 08:53 PM
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Hence the initial teachings are on morality (sila) which is firstly just a few commandments or precepts, but become more deeply nuanced in the notion of 'right'.

Buddha's initial teaching is the Four Noble Truths

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What is the Noble Truth of the Way Leading to the Cessation of Suffering? It is the Noble Eightfold Path, that is to say: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration.

There is this Noble Truth of the Path leading to the Cessation of Suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before....

This Noble Truth must be penetrated to by cultivating the Path....

This Noble Truth has been penetrated to by cultivating the Path: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.

[Samyutta Nikaya LVI, 11]

The Fourth Noble Truth, like the first three, has three aspects. The first aspect is: ‘There is the Eightfold Path, the atthangika magga - the way out of suffering.’ It is also called the ariya magga, the Ariyan or Noble Path. The second aspect is: ‘This path should be developed.’ The final insight into arahantship is: ‘This path has been fully developed.’

The Eightfold Path is presented in a sequence: beginning with Right (or perfect) Understanding, samma ditthi, it goes to Right (or perfect) Intention or Aspiration, samma sankappa; these first two elements of the path are grouped together as Wisdom (panna). Moral commitment (sila) flows from panna; this covers Right Speech, Right Action and Right Livelihood - also referred to as perfect speech, perfect action and perfect livelihood, samma vaca, samma kammanta and samma ajiva.

Then we have Right Effort, Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration, samma vayama, samma sati and samma samadhi, which flow naturally from sila. These last three provide emotional balance. They are about the heart - the heart that is liberated from self-view and from selfishness. With Right Effort, Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration, the heart is pure, free from taints and defilements. When the heart is pure, the mind is peaceful. Wisdom (panna), or Right Understanding and Right Aspiration, comes from a pure heart. This takes us back to where we started.

These, then, are the elements of the Eightfold Path, grouped in three sections:

1. Wisdom (panna)

Right Understanding (samma ditthi)
Right Aspiration (samma sankappa)

2. Morality (sila)

Right Speech (samma vaca)
Right Action (samma kammanta)
Right Livelihood (samma ajiva)

3. Concentration (samadhi)

Right Effort (samma vayama)
Right Mindfulness (samma sati)
Right Concentration (samma samadhi)

Each builds on and supports the other, in my opinion.

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Old 22-12-2017, 08:57 PM
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Different Schools of Buddhism don't seem to see eye to eye on what Buddha Nature is.
I am beginning to feel that it isn't something that all sentient beings have but rather it is what we are...
I am not trying to work out what it is but rather just let it clarify itself through inner feelings.


that IS correct ...... the Buddha nature IS what we are. That does not mean when we Discover that which we are , we do as exactly as the Buddha did or how. Yet it IS the same in essence and the same in reason. To Shine that Light in all our interactions ~

To reach that understanding alone ....... means the Inner Light as Wisdom is already coming through ~ That Flows out of the Infinite BEING ..... and thus its one purpose is 'correct' false beliefs and reveal Truth concealed. There is a pattern to it all ........ and you are beginning to see the pattern.

the next part of the pattern can get a bit rough ........ deeply take this in "FORGIVE ALL and LET GO "your attachments to things (don't have to give anything away just the IDEA of OWNERSHIP. all is borrowed here and all stays here. )
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Is it possible for someone to perceive them all to be true at the same time?

Of course.

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Old 22-12-2017, 08:59 PM
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that IS correct ...... the Buddha nature IS what we are. That does not mean when we Discover that which we are , we do as exactly as the Buddha did or how. Yet it IS the same in essence and the same in reason. To Shine that Light in all our interactions ~

To reach that understanding alone ....... means the Inner Light as Wisdom is already coming through ~ That Flows out of the Infinite BEING ..... and thus its one purpose is 'correct' false beliefs and reveal Truth concealed. There is a pattern to it all ........ and you are beginning to see the pattern.

the next part of the pattern can get a bit rough ........ deeply take this in "FORGIVE ALL and LET GO "your attachments to things (don't have to give anything away just the IDEA of OWNERSHIP. all is borrowed here and all stays here. )

Well said.
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Old 23-12-2017, 12:01 AM
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Buddha's initial teaching is the Four Noble Truths


Each builds on and supports the other, in my opinion.

The passage you quoted is well outlined. Indeed, according the teachings, each reinforces the others.
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Old 23-12-2017, 10:53 AM
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Gem "I'll never admit that I was wrong" Sila

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this ^ ?
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Am I the only one who sees the irony in this ^ ?

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...119115&page=10

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I see the ridiculous character, 'Gem', who does all these things flailing about in desperation at having been 'caught out'. That's the imminent end of the thing called 'Gem'.

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