if you keep repeating something in your head does it happen

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

You are blaming yourself, and others, for "manifesting" these situations, when in reality these situations are beyond our control and our influence.
We do not influence other people to screw up our lives. To think so is practically screaming "victim blaming".
You're essentially telling them they asked for it, and I refuse to let anyone think it's okay to have that mindframe. It's not.

You're stuck on one theme here for some reason Lilyth, plus that's not what's being discussed on this thread. You stated you travel to hell and back and commune with demons. Why is it impossible for you to believe we don't manipulate spirit energy, consciously and unconsciously?

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

No. We do not manifest situations nor do we attract situations. That is a very outdated belief that places blame on victims of horrible situations.

Sincerely, I can't go along with that. A magician attempts to do just that, often with success. On the mundane world with everyday interactions you may be right although I tend to agree with Baile about our attitudes and inner wish-lists influencing situations. That's what career development is about, for instance, not to forget our social relations at one level or another.

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[IsleWalker]

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

No. We do not manifest situations nor do we attract situations. That is a very outdated belief that places blame on victims of horrible situations.

It's not victimization, it's seeing your own life path and what you attract to yourself for learning. It is taking ultimate responsibility instead of blaming it on others, God, genetics, accidents. There are no accidents.

There is nothing "outdated" about taking and seeing our own hand in creating our own lives. It is empowering, actually.

Lora

[Lilyth Von Gore]

Originally Posted by Baile

You're stuck on one theme here for some reason Lilyth, plus that's not what's being discussed on this thread. You stated you travel to hell and back and commune with demons. Why is it impossible for you to believe we don't manipulate spirit energy, consciously and unconsciously?

I never claimed to have been to Hell. Figuratively, yes. Literally, no. As in, my life is Hell.
I don't believe that we bring these situations on ourselves. I find the very notion of that insulting, telling someone "it happened because you willed it into existence. It's your fault".
I have ended friendships because of people with that mindframe. I refuse to let someone tell me, or anyone, that we made these terrible things happen to ourselves because subconsciously we asked for it. Not without challenging it.

[IsleWalker]

Well, tell me how that works out for ya, Lilyth.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

I never claimed to have been to Hell. Figuratively, yes. Literally, no. As in, my life is Hell.

Okay, sorry I misunderstood then.

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

I don't believe that we bring these situations on ourselves. I find the very notion of that insulting, telling someone "it happened because you willed it into existence. It's your fault". I refuse to let someone tell me, or anyone, that we made these terrible things happen to ourselves because subconsciously we asked for it. Not without challenging it.

Lilyth, you're talking about something else here, which is why I tried to move the dialogue in a different direction. My story was meant as a glimpse into an understanding I had years ago. The way I saw life and interacted with people, manifested in my life in exactly that same way. Did I attract or make these people magically appear? No. They would have been there in my life anyway. But what I did attract was conflict with these people. And I was creating that conflict and setting up that conflict via the way I interacted with the world.

For me, this is self-realization 101: taking responsibility for one's attitude and life outlook. If chaos is happening around me, I ask myself what it is I'm doing that is either creating that chaos or perpetuating it. It's something as simple as identifying negative thoughts and raising them to a higher, more positive level. That's manipulating spirit energy to me, and I've experienced it countless times in my life.

[blackraven]

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that anyone whether consciously or unconsciously manifests these situations in their lives.
You are blaming yourself, and others, for "manifesting" these situations, when in reality these situations are beyond our control and our influence.
We do not influence other people to screw up our lives. To think so is practically screaming "victim blaming". It's a slap in the face to survivors of traumatic events and people living in poverty or suffering domestic abuse. You are blaming them for a subconscious decision which most likely never even crpssed their minds in their entire lives. And that is what annoys me.
You're essentially telling them they asked for it, and I refuse to let anyone think it's okay to have that mindframe. It's not.

Lilyth Von Gore - I can think of many examples in my life that had positive outcomes. Thinking outside of the victimization scenario is why I answered the way I did.

Blackraven

I believe she's fanning her personal experiences and their subsequent rationalisation out as a principle that should apply to all.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Lilyth Von Gore

I never claimed to have been to Hell. Figuratively, yes. Literally, no. As in, my life is Hell.
I don't believe that we bring these situations on ourselves. I find the very notion of that insulting, telling someone "it happened because you willed it into existence. It's your fault".
I have ended friendships because of people with that mindframe. I refuse to let someone tell me, or anyone, that we made these terrible things happen to ourselves because subconsciously we asked for it. Not without challenging it.

It's not that we bring these situations on ourselves, it's that we can.

[Lilyth Von Gore]

Originally Posted by Capacity

It's not that we bring these situations on ourselves, it's that we can.

That justifies it then, does it?
People who have these things happen to them had them happen because it crossed their minds? No. Not how it works.
Never once did it cross my mind. Never once was I afraid of it happening. Yet it did.