I was wrong. I don't want to be in pain.

[Sonolil]

Until now I had no other way to express how I saw the Truth.
And that was that we're all here because in some way or another
we all enjoy pain.

But I was wrong.
I found a better way to express this.
One that consequently changes my view of life.

You don't have to be in pain. You really don't.
If you enjoy pain then what you're really enjoying cannot be pain.
It's rapture.
We're here for the rapture, not pain.
Pain is just a stimulus that goes beyond a certain threshold.
Can you imagine what it's like when both the threshold and the stimulus is infinite?
Then there is only rapture. The beginning of bliss.
Pain really does become an illusion beyond mind's comprehension.

The pain principle in reality was just a subversion of the pleasure principle.
I think I can graduate now.

I want to be in bliss.
That way I will always get what I want.
Because we're never separate from bliss.

[LiberatedLotus]

Interesting.

Personally, I feel pain is essential to growth.
( that in which causes us pain )
The reduction in pain / our responses
( in all it's forms & derivatives ) is directly
correlated to our expansion / ascension.
This is where terms such as immunity /
immortality can then surface.

Mind you, it is not the direct avoidance / use of
our faculties to detour/distort/manipulate that in
which causes pain, but the complete immersion
into said experience that allows for one to
successfully conquer & ascend it.

Some masters have said it is not the experience
of pain / suffering that is the problem it is how
one experiences it that matters.

Of course, over time, one can then experience
authentic bliss.

That way I will always get what I want.

I feel this a very naive way of viewing the
world / it will inevitably lead to grave
disappointments on a personal & grand
scale.

" I want to be happy " one says.
Understand the flipside of happiness will always be
waiting for you. Understand, every state has its place.
If one is always in search for sustained happiness they
will find themselves unimaginably disappointed & disillusioned.
It's a delusion. Everything up must come
down. It's a transiet state. If you don't know how to
successfully navigate through hell you'll never get to heaven.

Beyond this, I even ask what makes someone "happy".
If your happiness is rooted in the externalized world,
you are in for a world of hurt, no pun intended.

I, also, might add the yin/yang mechanism.
That experiences in life that one may think
/ are sought out for because they "think"
(usually rooted in veils of truth) will bring
them unparalleled bliss actually can
bring unbearable misery. Conversely,
experiences that one may initially find
unbearable can lead to unimaginable
bliss. Same with concepts like the
"Dark Nights Of The Soul".

Out of suffering have emerged the
strongest souls; the most massive
characters are seared with scars. - Khalil Gibran

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Janet Jackson ~ The Pleasure Principle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-gu1KETjVY

in doing some research a bit earlier today, the Pleasure Principle came up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasu...e_(psychology)
so, it's a happy coincidence to see it pop up here on this thread.
i agree with the article, that maturity may allow us to delay
"immediate gratification", but the idea of enduring pain through
that delay, and ultimately receiving diminished results is... yucky.

i do not believe that pain is required to experience gain.
i do not believe that one must endure hell in order to experience heaven.

The masochist may enjoy pain because it can be felt as a perverse form of ecstasy. But pain is data. It signifies something is wrong no matter how it manifests. It needs investigation to work out how to put things right.

As with physical pain it's easy to cover up but if it won't go away you have to investigate deeper. Likewise with matters that fall under the spiritual - and they may be related. Emotional pain is often because people are telling themselves lies about their emotions.

♥

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Sonolil

I want to be in bliss.

'Self'ishness is limiting by definition. I would like to suggest that it would be 'better' if 'you' 'wanted' to be aware of and so aligned with what would serve to optimize and augment LIFE ITSELF - which may sometimes be pleasurable or painful - because THAT is what 'you' transpersonally (in reality!) are.

[Jyotir]

Originally Posted by Sonolil

Until now I had no other way to express how I saw the Truth.
And that was that we're all here because in some way or another
we all enjoy pain.

But I was wrong.
I found a better way to express this.
One that consequently changes my view of life.

You don't have to be in pain. You really don't.
If you enjoy pain then what you're really enjoying cannot be pain.
It's rapture.
We're here for the rapture, not pain.
Pain is just a stimulus that goes beyond a certain threshold.
Can you imagine what it's like when both the threshold and the stimulus is infinite?
Then there is only rapture. The beginning of bliss.
Pain really does become an illusion beyond mind's comprehension.

The pain principle in reality was just a subversion of the pleasure principle.
I think I can graduate now.

I want to be in bliss.
That way I will always get what I want.
Because we're never separate from bliss.

Hi Sonolil,

Your recent posts indicate that you're on to something significant.

I want to be in bliss.

You want to be in bliss because bliss is inseparable from, and is the true essence of existence...and consciousness. It is your truest identity, even in action in the physical.

Pain and even pleasure, is a limited and distorted reception of reality - a subversion - by the false identification of and with ignorance, by which the incorrect view that life is intended to be a 'balancing' of pain and pleasure is falsely perpetuated.

But, it is bliss itself that wants you to be in bliss as that is the true reality - and knows it, and wants you to know it - consciously.
This is liberation from limitation.

This is what spirituality is....the deliberate becoming of what we are in essence.

It's what you want because this is the divine Will.
We're all just waking up to it in different ways.


~ J

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by Jyotir

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You want to be in bliss because bliss is inseparable from, and is the true essence of existence...and consciousness. It is your truest identity, even in action in the physical.

Pain and even pleasure, is a limited and distorted reception of reality - a subversion - by the false identification of and with ignorance, by which the incorrect view that life is intended to be a 'balancing' of pain and pleasure is falsely perpetuated.

But, it is bliss itself that wants you to be in bliss as that is the true reality - and knows it, and wants you to know it - consciously.
This is liberation from limitation.

This is what spirituality is....the deliberate becoming of what we are in essence.

It's what you want because this is the divine Will.
We're all just waking up to it in different ways.

Jyotir,

Just hoping I can remember this because it speaks a great truth........especially the qualification of wanting us to know it consciously. Then that is recognition of our liberation from limitation as you pointed out. I also thought of the saying that 'ignorance is bliss' and rethinking that. Rethinking in the sense that "ignorance" in its most basic sense should simply be 'ignoring'.....not lack of perception......i.e. not ascribing primacy to pleasure/pain as a dictator of our impulses. Perhaps floating on water is analagous to bliss(because we have awareness...but not concern) as opposed to sleep(which is nice but is absent awareness)