Sex and spirituality

[Light lady]

So, I’ve heard some different opinions on this recently. Some people think you shouldn’t have sex at all, as you open yourself up to someone else’s energy.

I’m married but currently looking for a female (with his knowledge).
I’ve done some work with Lilith, and she seems to have blasted me full of sexuality.
Is this bad?

[little.nation]

You probably won't encounter God God Oh My God in whatever you're seeking. I can tell you the way to God in the bedroom but it might offend some readers.

Something weird to me about seeking advice from others on this topic. If you worked with an entity, was it forced on you or did you seek it out? What's your own judgement and how could someone else's judgement shape your decision for something that is totally your call. Shrug, I dunno.

Lilith? My opinion? Garbage. Mucho mucho no bueno. Looking for trouble.

Sex is a natural process like breathing and eating; also like them it emanates from basic drives. It's a gateway to your deepest sensual experiences. If someone told me I shouldn't breathe because it would affect my spirituality I'd have trouble believing them so how does this pan out with sex?

To me the question resolves as "What is life about?" Is it about experiencing the fullness of it; or believing that self-denial will somehow lead to bliss, peace, enlightenment perhaps, that would somehow be superior in spiritual terms to using life and your senses to the full?

it's an open discussion. Sure you don't NEED sex but slamming the door on one's basic drives cannot be good for the soul. However, there are people who seem to lack that drive/libido so the opposite would be the case - having sex arbitrarily (because others "do it") would be useful only as a clinical-like experience or reproduction.

As for Lilith, I don't see her as a misunderstood goddess who has redeemed herself. She's the height of hedonism to me (which I don't look on as evil. Ecstasy in excess can lead to gnosis / enlightenment as well as self-denial/ abstemiousness).
Some time ago I watched a couple of youtube videos of women trying to invoke Lilith. They were just so drizzly, so lacking in ritual passion I doubt they'd have invoked a breeze let alone a powerful goddess.
You may just have an accord with her!
She has her equivalent in Vodou: Ezili Dantor. But she tends to be expensive!

Just my views.
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[Light lady]

Lorelyn.
Awesome, a great answer, thanks. That’s very helpful.

[Shaunc]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Sex is a natural process like breathing and eating; also like them it emanates from basic drives. It's a gateway to your deepest sensual experiences. If someone told me I shouldn't breathe because it would affect my spirituality I'd have trouble believing them so how does this pan out with sex?

To me the question resolves as "What is life about?" Is it about experiencing the fullness of it; or believing that self-denial will somehow lead to bliss, peace, enlightenment perhaps, that would somehow be superior in spiritual terms to using life and your senses to the full?

it's an open discussion. Sure you don't NEED sex but slamming the door on one's basic drives cannot be good for the soul. However, there are people who seem to lack that drive/libido so the opposite would be the case - having sex arbitrarily (because others "do it") would be useful only as a clinical-like experience or reproduction.

As for Lilith, I don't see her as a misunderstood goddess who has redeemed herself. She's the height of hedonism to me (which I don't look on as evil. Ecstasy in excess can lead to gnosis / enlightenment as well as self-denial/ abstemiousness).
Some time ago I watched a couple of youtube videos of women trying to invoke Lilith. They were just so drizzly, so lacking in ritual passion I doubt they'd have invoked a breeze let alone a powerful goddess.
You may just have an accord with her!
She has her equivalent in Vodou: Ezili Dantor. But she tends to be expensive!

Just my views.
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This is a very good post.
My opinion on celibacy as a road to spiritual enlightenment is that it's a very risky road to take.
From my point of view is it's ego running rampant. You're saying that you can take on mother nature and win.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Sex is a natural process like breathing and eating; also like them it emanates from basic drives. It's a gateway to your deepest sensual experiences. If someone told me I shouldn't breathe because it would affect my spirituality I'd have trouble believing them so how does this pan out with sex?

To me the question resolves as "What is life about?" Is it about experiencing the fullness of it; or believing that self-denial will somehow lead to bliss, peace, enlightenment perhaps, that would somehow be superior in spiritual terms to using life and your senses to the full?

it's an open discussion. Sure you don't NEED sex but slamming the door on one's basic drives cannot be good for the soul. However, there are people who seem to lack that drive/libido so the opposite would be the case - having sex arbitrarily (because others "do it") would be useful only as a clinical-like experience or reproduction.

As for Lilith, I don't see her as a misunderstood goddess who has redeemed herself. She's the height of hedonism to me (which I don't look on as evil. Ecstasy in excess can lead to gnosis / enlightenment as well as self-denial/ abstemiousness).
Some time ago I watched a couple of youtube videos of women trying to invoke Lilith. They were just so drizzly, so lacking in ritual passion I doubt they'd have invoked a breeze let alone a powerful goddess.
You may just have an accord with her!
She has her equivalent in Vodou: Ezili Dantor. But she tends to be expensive!

Just my views.
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I don't believe in mythical nonsense like Lilith so I won't go there - I just thought it strange to categorise sex with with breathing and eating when you'd die without the latter(s) but don't need the former to survive.


It's more like a species needs sex to survive whereas any given individual doesn't. I wouldn't suggest repression or guilt or anything like that and see no point for celibacy outside serious meditation retreats.



Where trying to evoke Lilith is an entirely imaginary, completely unnecessary, utterly futile and seemingly distressing activity, I'd say there must be more constructive things people can do with their time. (so I lied)

[FairyCrystal]

You do open yourself up to someone else's energy and during sex that's normal. You also open up to someone's energy when you fall in love, love someone. It's just that when you have intercourse your auras can blend temporarily. This is utter bliss, nothing to fear. Doesn't happen always either.
When it is over that is over too.
But you always have energetic connection with people you love, and even with people you meet or talk to. Would you avoid that too?

It can be helpful for a woman to energetically cleanse herself after intercourse, or regularly if she has a sexlife, if the man comes inside of her body. His seed carries his energy and genetic information -which also hold energy of course- and the woman will be walking around with that. Mind you, energetically cleanse. You can do this for everyone you were ever intimate with, even if it was years ago.
I've done that the other day, boy, did it clean up a lot, from one partner in particular.

The Lilith part... I guess there are loads of stories on her, from Biblical to spiritual. To me she's the epitome of equality for women. The independent woman who's absolutely equal to men. Not the version church wanted and wants, the subservient woman who's obedient to her man, and inferior to him.
If memory serves religion paints a picture of her being bad, promiscuous, and whatnot and even God and the angels spat her out. Total nonsense, and clearly a story made up by men, like they bad-mouthed Mary Magdalene as it didn't suit them to acknowledge she was an equal and just as spiritual as Jesus.
And then say God would do that, God/Source/The Divine would never ever ever ever do that. Always funny how people preach God is love, yet when it suits them, or church, he's evil and ruthless and vengeful.

In any case, don't worry about it. If you connect to certain Goddesses you can sure feel energy shifts. Goddesses are often underestimated, thought of as stories in books or something. But they actually do have tremendous powers and energies. I found that out myself years ago, haha. I guess they are aspect of the Higher Power.
Enjoy your (enhanced) sexuality. This can be very healing as many people still have to bang out sexual trauma from past lives. Plus, sexual energy is Sacred life force. Very creative, and could help you in other ways too. So enjoy it.

[LadyMay]

Originally Posted by Light lady

So, I’ve heard some different opinions on this recently. Some people think you shouldn’t have sex at all, as you open yourself up to someone else’s energy.

I’m married but currently looking for a female (with his knowledge).
I’ve done some work with Lilith, and she seems to have blasted me full of sexuality.
Is this bad?

We are inherently sexual beings, there's nothing wrong with it. And yes sex exchanges energy but so does every other interaction with people in life. Spiritual growth would cause us to only surround ourselves in people who have our highest intentions at heart anyway, so it shouldn't be any different for sex. But basically wherever you are on your path there's not really any reason to worry specifically about picking stuff up. As long as you are practising safe sex physically and doing regular spiritual cleansing and grounding you will be fine.

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Gem

I don't believe in mythical nonsense like Lilith so I won't go there - I just thought it strange to categorise sex with with breathing and eating when you'd die without the latter(s) but don't need the former to survive.

It's more like a species needs sex to survive whereas any given individual doesn't. I wouldn't suggest repression or guilt or anything like that and see no point for celibacy outside serious meditation retreats.

Where trying to evoke Lilith is an entirely imaginary, completely unnecessary, utterly futile and seemingly distressing activity, I'd say there must be more constructive things people can do with their time. (so I lied)

To the OP...Light Lady: If you are seeking or walking a spiritual path...
My general thoughts are this.

I would just add that yes, it's very different indeed.
Agreed with Gem that only the species as a whole needs sex to survive.
No individual needs sex to survive.

Sex is not at all in the same survival hierarchy of needs as air, water, food, and shelter.
Nor even is sex anywhere near as important as having a community, a civil society, in which to live in peace and safety, unmolested.

Nor is sex as important as having a way to make your living in the world and earn your bread.
All these things are higher in the survival hierarchy for any one individual.

Moreover, unlike breathing, eating, or pooping, which are solo acts (as Gem noted), intercourse is done with another human being, another soul -- which puts it into the realm of morality, ethics, and human relationship. For these reasons, we act IMO with great spiritual denial and neglect -- and often with great spiritual and emotional harm -- when we act "as if" sex is just another bodily function, like eating or excreting.

There are many outlets for sexual energy, including work, exercise, meditation, and so forth.
Additionally, solo sex harms none -- as long as it's not tied to porn addiction and feeding that beast.
My position is solo sex (sans porn) is a healthy outlet in moderation.

But sex with another person -- just like ANY other interaction with another person -- requires consideration of their highest good equally to your own. According to them and not simply according to you. If you don't know and love them as people and as beloved friends, then it is extremely unlikely that you can realistically ascertain whether casual sex is truly in their highest good. Regardless of "legal consent", another big gray area.

For these reasons, the most realistic assessment is that casual sex cannot be said (with any basis of certainty) to be in the highest good of the other. And if we don't know and love them deeply as people and as beloved friends, then we definitely cannot assess this with any certainty.

Last, we can say with much more certainty that for those folks we do know and love deeply as people and as beloved friends, we would (most of us) never seek to use them for casual sex. Because we would be much better able to see and ascertain their highest good, with a much deeper and greater clarity. From place of true awareness and true connection. From our centre, in authentic love.

So...IMO...if we're having casual sex, the honest and mature thing to do is to own that we're probably not acting in the highest good of the other and that what we do is much more likely to be for our own selfish gratification.

And from that honest perspective, it's on us to take full ownership for where we are actually living, with eyes wide open.

Peace & blessings
7L

[Light lady]

Some really great answers, really helpful.
Thanks �� so much.