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Old 16-08-2019, 01:16 AM
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I have had inspirational input from spirit, that the Heavenly Father creator, has his location & personality at the centre of the singular, one & only universe.

& that the rest of the universe is similar to our emanation of spiritual body that emanates from our Soul'self.
We are in his image of Soul & just possibly outside of the creator in his spiritual emanation of no particular form/shape, where we can find/see his attributes, & where we are located.

Supposedly the Heavenly Father is all holy, all loving & all merciful, so the all holy Heavenly one would not have his actual mind any where within our minds...he designed us with personalized individuality & privacy of mind from each other, if creator is all holy &all loving then he would appreciate & respect our privacy enough to not be in it.
So it is said to myself that everything outside of creator resides within his emanating spirit...we are within it & it is within us.

So I also am inspired to think that the Holy Kingdoms & the seperate lesser Heavens are near to him & surrounding him & radiating/spreading out on a relatively flat land mass of a massive circular kind.

All one land mass preceding at the very outer edge & progressing inwards towards the all Holy one. & is, as i am led to believe where all are welcome & totally capable of withstanding the intensities of spiritual radiance therein. Except for those beings that have been so unloving long enough to have so incredibly depleted in quality of Soul'self radiance & appearances. They become so gross of all bodily features & totally in capable of using their minds to create clothing from the magical spiritual matter of the spiritual universe...& in most cases could not be bothered with coverings.
And I am led to believe that there are locations on the very outer fringes of the first sphere. A very dark & very dingy location with no colour nor vegetation.

However one can only traverse as far in towards the father, as ones quality of Soul'self will allow one.

And as a person might decide to inspect lands closer to the centre, they will very soon find the atmosphere growing more intense of radiance beauty and abundance, & will need to stop & recede. As there is no possible way of proceeding untill that person has improved in quality of Soul love.

& this is what is meant, when scripture states that the gates of the Holy Kingdoms are high & impenetrable. & no one can enter except through the Holy CHRISTING Spiritual essence of God...commonly confused & mistaken for & of Jesus Christ.

The creator Heavenly Father is the fountain of eternal life & youthfulness his self...& has his own location & personality...at the centre of the universe & not in the clouds surrounding the Earth.
There maybe millions of Earth like, life supporting planets in the billions of Galaxies, & the one & only true creator & his Heavens are not personally in only our couds, as it has previously been stated.

The above is only for your considerations...SMILES.
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Old 16-08-2019, 02:11 AM
Shivani Devi Shivani Devi is offline
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
When it comes to Heaven(s)
it might be helpful from what belief system we are talking from.

Having said that, I love the Buddhist Temple paintings of the infinite Heavens and Infinite Hells
and if you look closely, some of the lower Heavens dip down below the upper Hells.
When approaching a subject like this, indeed any subject relating to the mythological beliefs of humanity, I always take the approach of anthroposophy as a whole and then look for common threads or indicators which seem common to many of them, for example, the "flood myth" when it is common knowledge that Earth has experienced many floods at various times since mankind came down from the trees and walked on two legs...after all, we are posting in the science section here, so "belief" really has nothing to do with it.

The Buddhist version of events mirrors the Hindu one, because Buddhism is and was just an "offshoot" of the Hindu Agamic tradition anyway, however, if we are to study my faith, Hinduism as a whole, there are as many beliefs as there are people who practice the religion - which also possibly explains why is that Hinduism isn't very popular outside Hindu countries, but I digress.

We follow the Greek tradition to a large extent ..or rather, they followed us with the whole; "The Gods live on a Big Mountain" thing - so, to us "heaven" means going somewhere which represents the "top of the world" or the "top of the universe" as represented by a huge mountain called "Mount Meru".

Mount Meru also has other names...Mt. Olympus, Mt. Kailash, Mt. Sinai, Mt. Agung, Mt. Arunachala and the human spinal column as representative of the energy (Shakti) which flows up the central channel of Shushumna.. just like lava which flows up through a central volcanic core, transporting the aspirant to the eternal "heaven" of endless bliss and love (Satchitananda).

It is also said that there are many portals or vortices which exist along intersecting lay lines on this planet which can transport us into beautiful Astral realms or "heavens" and I am a firm believer in this. We have tales of such places existing, like Shangri-La or the Elysian Fields even Atlantis and there are just as many "lower Astral realms" as well, like Patala or Naraka. The Earth we live on is kind of "in the middle" as far as these vibrational scalar jumps go, but many of these lower Astral entities have found a tear in the fabric of spacetime (probably but not definitely created by CERN) and have managed to slip through into our reality, influencing life on this planet in a negative way, according to the vibration they wish to have established here.

I will probably have a bit more to say about all of this at a later time, but for now...I could do with a nice, hot cup of Joe.
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Old 16-08-2019, 06:45 AM
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Just as an addendum to the above, for some strange reason I was just mentally reminded about the Ikebana flower arrangement techniques which originated in 7th century Japan at the Sogetsu school.

There is a three layered perception within the depth of field which relates to man, earth and sky (heaven) 天,地,人

This corresponds quite nicely to the first three syllables in the Gayatri Mantra called "bija mantras" of Bhu, Bhuvah and Swah, which also indicates the three divisions of "Lokas" or celestial planes of existence.

Man (humans) represent the intermediate plane, or the balance between the two opposing factions of ascending and descending vibrations.

The "Bhu" Loka concerns the realms of the elementals and the more base elements of existence, the "Bhuvah" realm is that dot which says "you are here" while "Swah" (also called Swarga or Sorga) represents the realm of the light astral beings who are known as the Deva or the Elohim...it is the realm of heaven.
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