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Old 13-08-2019, 08:02 PM
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Now however, though not as extensively or thoroughly honored as one might wish, Life’s universal presence has been sufficiently recognized, championed and consented to so that most [albeit still not all!] social institutions are chartered to respect, protect and facilitate the development of every human being, regardless of sex, age or ethnicity."
DavidSun...I do appreciate your thougthts. Respectfully, though, I would say the above is simply not a true statement of fact but rather a wish list. It would truer to simply say, in some places, we've been trying and in some places, we've made a bit of progress in these areas...and more remains.

Also, whilst I agree it's still critical a critical watershed to even acknowledge principles in writing, words alone are cheap and ultimately meaningless without likewise integrity of intent, thought, and deed. And yet, at this time in our history, even just agreement with those stated principles are under attack. Because both when originally crafted and still at this time, they were not truly intended for all of us. Not yet. Yet the current reality is worth acknowledging because the ultimate good is worth fighting for.
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"Darkness is a perfect ‘medium’ for light to shine and be seen in. There’s no reason to be turned off or withdraw from participation in what’s going on because of what is not yet of the highest order. As you encounter ills along the way, keep sight of the fact that resentment is destructive and lamentation wasteful. Choose to embrace positive possibilities which are ever-present. Believe me, when the dust settles and the smoke clears it will be abundantly apparent—our living planet will have become a more gracefully coordinated, qualitatively much more nurturing sphere."
Also, there's a lot here..... But again, I respectfully disagree. Absolutely, it is right and good to draw boundaries and to not participate in certain aspects of our reality, if your liberty and security permit you to exercise your freedom of choice.
Folks have every right and good reason to decide what is harmful and dissonant to them, such that they need to avoid it or disengage with it.

For many of us, the structure of modern normative "partner" "relationships" is, in the main, toxic and exploitative. Ideally it would not be so, and perhaps if we are allowed to continue to exercise our freedom to avoid harm and ill use, then one day they may no longer be such (in the main, normatively). Exercising our free choice on our journey allows us to instead engage positively with those who love and support us authentically (beloved fam, beloved friends) without demands for casual sex and ill use, and apart from the context of exploitation, deceit, and manipulation put forth in pursuit of the casual sex, etc. Likewise, this choice allows us the proper energy, focus, and calibre of spirit to raise our children, to work, and to engage in neigbourhood and civic causes. In all cases, we can choose to engage where our personhood is valued and honoured, and where our unique, individual humanity is accorded its due

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That being said, the arc of history is all too slow in 'bending' to suite my tastes, but the fact is that it has bent and will continue to bend in a 'good' direction (IMO), albeit we still have a lot of 'work' to do and a loooong way to go. I recognize and applaud/support the 'front line' work you have done and are doing in this regard by way of your sharings.
Agreed we've a long way to go and thanks for the support. Just keep in mind that nothing (including the "arc of history") is "automatically" progressive. And that no progress is pre-determined, inevitable or in any way guaranteed. What we don't stand for every day, we will surely lose and whatever progress we don't support day-to-day will surely tend to diminish and regress. A lazy, insidious assumption of the inevitability of progress is commonplace yet is also fundamentally wrong and likely quite dangerous, IMO. So, likely we have far longer to go than many may realise, as they are making loads of unfounded assumptions about all this progress.

To Daz...sorry if this bit was is off topic...these are in fact all realisations post awakening so please feel free to comment &/or redirect as you like ;)

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Old 13-08-2019, 09:10 PM
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Agreed we've a long way to go and thanks for the support. Just keep in mind that nothing (including the "arc of history") is "automatically" progressive. And that no progress is pre-determined, inevitable or in any way guaranteed. What we don't stand for every day, we will surely lose and whatever progress we don't support day-to-day will surely tend to diminish and regress.


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A lazy, insidious assumption of the inevitability of progress is commonplace yet is also fundamentally wrong and likely quite dangerous, IMO. So, likely we have far longer to go than many may realise, as they are making loads of unfounded assumptions about all this progress.
My assumption (it is a deduction, really ) is that the Love of Life (which is our Source-code) will result in our collectively being 'impelled' to make progress over the course of time - as it has over the past millennia. Also from my book Godspeak 2000:
"These words are meant to alert and affirm. A great deal is at stake. We are entering another crucial phase of Life’s earthly development. Ecosystemic stress now makes radical change absolutely necessary. Only those who take positive steps to improve our conjoint condition will live on as part of the future. The [ultimate] destiny of all who don’t acknowledge and respond to what Life calls for is oblivion.

The logic is quite simple: Those who close their minds to what is really going on are bound to stray from Life’s path. Those who harden their hearts become stones in effect and go no further. Only those who recognize and responsively engage with the creative impulse within others around them drink “of the fountain of the water of Life freely” [citation omitted] and flourish as resonant parts of the Whole.

It is true that remnants of selfishness are still alive and kicking. Aside from myriad lesser expressions, dinosaurean characteristics and strategies are organizationally embodied and employed by a huge number and variety of groups. They are a passing phenomenon however, for, as explained, they ring their own death-knell. The very fact that they seek to aggrandize themselves at others’ expense and do not help to improve the general welfare ensures that this be so. As the suffering they cause sparks the desire for evolutionary change and fuels its fire, accused and accursed in realms of Mind and Spirit, they will be reduced to ashes, in terms of what goes on, basically, just serving as fertilizer.

In the long run, unselfish participation is the most rewarding. Those who are contributive experience the greatest joy and achieve the biggest success. Both because they themselves feel deserving and because appreciative others wish them well, they are psychospiritually aided and abetted in ways some think quite miraculous. Infusions of energy give them the power they need to carry out their tasks. Infusions of knowledge make their way clear. Whatever pains they may take and sacrifices they may make are more than compensated for by blissful infusions of love. In ways I have described and others I have barely hinted at, because Life Itself is the foundation on which they build, their capacity for creative expression continues to increase and endure."
P.S. you have to read the whole chapter to appreciate the data analysis which leads to such deduction.
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Old 14-08-2019, 03:17 PM
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DavidSun, over the "arc" of eternity, I would broadly agree that the selfish lose out on much of the experience of What Is.

But in the here and now, if the unselfish (or less selfish) do not stand firmly and resolutely for all that is, we will cede governance, will, and authority to the selfish, the amoral, and the utilitarian. The end result of that unholy trinity (LOL) is inevitably totalitarianism and genocide/euthanasia in this realm. Which is present for us right here, right now, and which is -- as with all else That Is -- of supreme value and significance. This realm and our reality here and now is not lesser than that which lasts an eternity, like the angels. We are no less than the angels, and our physical forms are no less sacred than any other thing simply because our physical forms are transient.

If we want just and humanitarian governance and society in this realm and not just in disembodied spirit, we must engage and we must realise that nothing is inevitable or guaranteed. Nothing.
Even regarding our own journey in spirit, we must engage and struggle and take the hard decisions in this realm, and not just in disembodied spirit. Nothing is assured in outcome. We must take the hard choices and do so consciously, with awareness, to forge our (eternal) character, in the (eternal) moment, in the (eternal) here and now. Regardless, if we do not do so consciously, we forge our character nonetheless with each mindless or negative intention, thought, word, and deed.

Everything is and everything matters in this moment. Right here and right now.

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Old 14-08-2019, 03:32 PM
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DavidSun, over the "arc" of eternity, I would broadly agree that the selfish lose out on much of the experience of What Is.

But in the here and now, if the unselfish (or less selfish) do not stand firmly and resolutely for all that is, we will cede governance, will, and authority to the selfish, the amoral, and the utilitarian. The end result of that unholy trinity (LOL) is inevitably totalitarianism and genocide/euthanasia in this realm. Which is present for us right here, right now, and which is -- as with all else That Is -- of supreme value and significance. This realm and our reality here and now is not lesser than that which lasts an eternity, like the angels. We are no less than the angels, and our physical forms are no less sacred than any other thing simply because our physical forms are transient.

If we want just and humanitarian governance and society in this realm and not just in disembodied spirit, we must engage and we must realise that nothing is inevitable or guaranteed. Nothing.
Even regarding our own journey in spirit, we must engage and struggle and take the hard decisions in this realm, and not just in disembodied spirit. Nothing is assured in outcome. We must take the hard choices and do so consciously, with awareness, to forge our (eternal) character, in the (eternal) moment, in the (eternal) here and now. Regardless, if we do not do so consciously, we forge our character nonetheless with each intention, thought, word, and deed.

Everything is and everything matters in this moment. Right here and right now.

Peace & blessings
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Subject to the qualification that Love of Life requires (IMO) that one choose one's goals and one allocate one's energies wisely (since not all things are possible by any given person or any given group at any given time/context), which may sometimes mean making the 'hard' 'choice' not to fight/struggle in actualize otherwise desirable objectives at least not beyond what is presently actualizable (the Serenity Prayer comes to mind in this regard), I whole-heart-and-mind-edly agree.

So many things worth aiming for, thank heaven there isn't just 'one' of 'us' aye what? I hope you grok the focus of my chosen intentions, words and deeds as I grok yours.

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So many things worth aiming for, thank heaven there isn't just 'one' of 'us' aye what? I hope you grok the focus of my chosen intentions, words and deeds as I grok yours.
From my treatise (which took a much dedication to think through and compose, btw):
It will also become clear to those who adopt this perspective, that what makes the most sense (because this is how soul‑growth ‘dividends’ are in fact generated) is for one to just whole‑mind-n‑heart-edly focus on ‘playing’ Life’s experience and expression of Love and Joy in relation to and with others ‘game’ for all one is worth no matter what one’s strengths and/or weaknesses may be, analogous to the way dedicated athletic team members mentally and emotionally concentrate on ‘playing’ their ‘positions’ in coordination with their teammates to the best of their ability in pursuance of the shared goals of their chosen sport. Deploying whatever talents and assets one may have been ‘gifted’ with for Love and Joy augmenting purpose(s) to whatever degree one is capable of doing so at any given place and point in time, always seeking and open to becoming wiser and more creatively adept in the process by learning from one’s ‘successes’ and ‘failures’ in said regard, is what leads to a soul blossoming and fructifying as a Love-and-Joy-full component of Life.

Said seeking and learning, of course, requires that one pay close attention to and shrewdly contemplate what’s actually going on in the ‘stream’ of one’s thoughts, moods, e·motions, expectations, etc. with the aim of seeing whether and to what degree these are (or aren’t, as the case may be) characterized by a Flow-of-Life connecting and other co-relating ‘sense’ of Love and Joy and considering whether and how improvements (if any) may be made in said regards. Always be wary of what is habitual: Seemingly reasonable predilections and disinclinations and rationalizations pertaining to them are often mistakenly believed to be and so naturally embraced and subscribed to as being maximally Love and Joy enhancing instrumentalities instead of their being questioningly examined and critically assessed and possibly better options being conceived of and explored simply because of of one’s having been physiosocially conditioned (i.e. programmatically ‘imprinted’) by pleasure and/or pain and success and/or failure related experiences to think and feel so.
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