On Salvation

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by sky123

You have mixed the Posters up ThatMan, very sneaky

Not really, it was because you have a style at mixing the qutoes of other people You are a clever person.

[Aknaton]

Originally Posted by jojo50

when those following Jesus first came out of the baptismal waters, they could say "we are now saved." because at that point all of their past sins had been washed away. BUT!... from about 5 hours after one was baptized, WE sinned. either willfully or unknowingly. so guess what?, we once again became sinners! which meant we again had to continue to fight to be saved. Jesus said this ,(John 3:17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but rather so that through him, the world might be saved). (NOTICE the word "MIGHT?"

People believe that all one have to do is get baptized, believe, and that'll saves them. well, satan believe too, but he still will be destroyed ,(James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe and tremble). we have to first acknowledge the "ONLY TRUE GOD", like we feel we know Jesus. as Jesus showed, if we want to be saved, (John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent).

we have to make sure we're truly trying to follow Jesus lead. NOT focusing on our own selfish desires, (Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me). NOT being "LOVERS" of the world or what it offers ,(1John 2:15-17 and James 4:4). and like Jesus, be NO PART of this world ,(John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world).

and lastly as Jesus said, to "DO his Father's WILL" if we want to be saved. just believing in Jesus WON'T save our lives, (Matt. 7:21 Not every one that said unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that do the will of my Father which is in heaven). Remember at John 3:17, when Jesus used the word "MIGHT?" here's what he said that will happen if we basically obey ,(Matt. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "SHALL" be saved). peace

I see. But there is the need to first of all disassociate from the Adamic Nature before one can step into salvation. There is no salvation for those with the Adamic Nature.

Indeed, the whole idea is not standing as a baptized individual, but as one who has believed and received the Holy Ghost. This is the beginning of Salvation and a wall of metamorphosis by the Holy Spirit.

This thread assumes the obedience of the recipient of the Spirit pf life to follow His guiding.

[Aknaton]

[quote=ImthatIm]

Originally Posted by sky123

Saved also speaks of the transformation that is needed for wholeness
which leads to Holiness and Righteousness rooted and grounded
in Divine Love.
Here is my JUDGMENT, many Christians I witness seem to believe
bingo bango say the magic words and one is saved.(some are)
Like buying insurance.
Yet again my JUDGMENT sees them walking and living with little Love.
Of course not all but many I have witnessed.
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Oh yes! The transformation; the metamorphosis! This also is my judgement that many who claim the name Christian do not have the foundation of Divine Love.

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by Aknaton

What does it mean to be saved?

Aknaton,

For me, it means that we have accepted grace. This implies humility, on our part, and our recognition of the authority of God. The parable of the publican and the Pharisee is the example of humility. The story of the healing of the centurion' servant is the example of accepting the authority of God.

[Aknaton]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Aknaton,

For me, it means that we have accepted grace. This implies humility, on our part, and our recognition of the authority of God. The parable of the publican and the Pharisee is the example of humility. The story of the healing of the centurion' servant is the example of accepting the authority of God.

Indeed, Acceptance of Grace, I agree with you. And I love that Publican and Pharisee parable!!!

[quote=sky123]

Originally Posted by Sky123

' Like buying insurance.'


Reminds of the Kings/Queens/Noblemen etc : who summoned the Priests/Bishops to their deathbeds and paid vast amounts of money to receive salvation from their sins, obviously these Gold coins filled the Churches Coffers, a lucrative blackmail system.....

The business end of religion can put people in chains and bring about all sorts of wickedness. SAD SAD.

[Molearner]

I thought it might be beneficial to amplify my remarks on what salvation means in terms that relate to our human experiences. Perhaps salvation bears some similarity to being offered a promotion by your boss/God. Some people turn down these offers because they fear the additional responsibilities or that they are comfortable in their current positions. Perhaps they fear losing some measure of autonomy and worry about making a new commitment thereby losing some part of themselves. This is precisely what Christ advocated....losing our selves to gain something greater. Remember this: the boss/God is offering the promotion based more on the potential He sees in you rather than what you have previously accomplished.

Also, consider the decision to enter into marriage. This represents a willingness to give up self to enter into a union of one. We must take the vows "to love and to cherish". This is what God demands that we are willing to place our faith in Him. It is the fulfillment of this demand that is the ultimate reason for our salvation.

Originally Posted by Molearner

I thought it might be beneficial to amplify my remarks on what salvation means in terms that relate to our human experiences. Perhaps salvation bears some similarity to being offered a promotion by your boss/God. Some people turn down these offers because they fear the additional responsibilities or that they are comfortable in their current positions. Perhaps they fear losing some measure of autonomy and worry about making a new commitment thereby losing some part of themselves. This is precisely what Christ advocated....losing our selves to gain something greater. Remember this: the boss/God is offering the promotion based more on the potential He sees in you rather than what you have previously accomplished.

Also, consider the decision to enter into marriage. This represents a willingness to give up self to enter into a union of one. We must take the vows "to love and to cherish". This is what God demands that we are willing to place our faith in Him. It is the fulfillment of this demand that is the ultimate reason for our salvation.

Love the bringing up of marriage in the walk of Salvation.