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Old 23-11-2016, 11:10 PM
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I have, what I believe to be pretty spot on proof, that near death experiences, can be and are highly influenced by dark spiritual beings
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Even a NDE which includes the feeling of a highly loving location & the presence of What appears to be, highly loving spiritual beings communicating with them during the experience, can be a deceitful illusion created by dark beings.

Although I could not prove it to anyone, especially those that have experienced NDE'S.

To those that have read most of my very few post while I have been very happy to have been a member of this online community, well I say to you that yes I know that I have mentioned it before that I have experienced something that know one I have communicated with or read about through any media, has ever mentioned before, & it would just blow the mind of a first time experiencer of my experience as it has & still does do to my mind.....I know it may sound pompous or even all knowing & above others even. But I can assure you I wish it were not true....AND CONTINUES TO BE AN ON GOING 24/7 AWEFUL UNLOVING HINDERANCE TO ME.

What I have learnt does just not only apply to this thread subject but applies to & across all spiritual beliefs of humans.....you may believe it or not.

With honest respect & regards to everyone.
Neil

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Old 23-11-2016, 11:34 PM
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It really is very sad, when the experience of love, harmony, peacefulness, and happiness are attributed to dark satanic forces.
When a mother loved us (if she did of course...) did we think that might be satanic trickery? When the sky is blue and the sun shines dare we trust it because it might be a hologrammatic trick! Oh my gosh. We have got to get our heads out of that place the sun doesn't shine!
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Old 24-11-2016, 09:11 AM
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You mean there's actually someone who got his 72 maidens in heaven? Because that makes no sense, we can pretty much all agree that there's no sex in the afterlife.
No, I've never heard an account involving any virgins, or rivers of wine. I have read dozens, if not hundreds, involving Mohammad or Allah.

Of course I've read more involving Jesus, but that's because the majority of those who have shared their experiences come from Western culture which is historically Christian.

I've also read many accounts by Buddhists, Jews, Hindus and, of course the largest section, atheists or agnostics.

The fact that accounts come from all sections of faith is a sign to me that none of our religions have a monopoly on God.
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Old 24-11-2016, 10:14 AM
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Since an NDE cannot be willed to happen, the question seems to simply be fear based. To move forward into making life loving, happy & peaceful one must work at learning what underlying fears they have to confront them. A person merely hinders their own spiritual progress by looking for roadblocks. The only evil I see as well as aware of are PEOPLE who target others to cause harm - it's more productive to guard yourself from them.
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Old 25-11-2016, 02:19 PM
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Ask21771.

I have, what I believe to be pretty spot on proof, that near death experiences, can be and are highly influenced by dark spiritual beings
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Even a NDE which includes the feeling of a highly loving location & the presence of What appears to be, highly loving spiritual beings communicating with them during the experience, can be a deceitful illusion created by dark beings.

Although I could not prove it to anyone, especially those that have experienced NDE'S.

To those that have read most of my very few post while I have been very happy to have been a member of this online community, well I say to you that yes I know that I have mentioned it before that I have experienced something that know one I have communicated with or read about through any media, has ever mentioned before, & it would just blow the mind of a first time experiencer of my experience as it has & still does do to my mind.....I know it may sound pompous or even all knowing & above others even. But I can assure you I wish it were not true....AND CONTINUES TO BE AN ON GOING 24/7 AWEFUL UNLOVING HINDERANCE TO ME.

What I have learnt does just not only apply to this thread subject but applies to & across all spiritual beliefs of humans.....you may believe it or not.

With honest respect & regards to everyone.
Neil

If you have proof, then why ask for more? If your "proof" really is proof...you would never ask such a question.

It's not about what one experiences in a NDE, it's what one comes away with because of it. Do the research and you'll find out what that is. I came from the experience KNOWING the importance of unconditional love...as so many other NDErs have said. So, I'm very curious...please, give your evidence as to how this could possibly be a "trick of Satan".

I have a feeling that belief and "faith in Jesus" is why you ask this horrendously ridiculous question...I say horrendously ridiculous because because of my NDE and because of it I understand Christ. If you truly understood Christ, you'd understand the conflict in what you've asked and then stated.

But really, the important thing isn't what you, or I, or what anyone else "believes" (or doesn't believe)...what's important is that we understand and practice unconditional love...just as Jesus tried to impart.
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Old 25-11-2016, 02:37 PM
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Satan is just another metaphor for the ego. He is not out there but is part of your own inner animal nature. You have to learn to take control over it and be its master.

There is another entity described in the Bible as the Dragon. Which we sometimes refer to as the Devil. He is different to Satan. In Christianity they did a really good job confusing its followers regarding Satan and the Devil.

While satan in the ego within us all, the first fallen was Lucifer, who was cast down. (If you follow the Biblical premise) The Kabbalistic premise is that God is Both Light and Darkness. Opposites within God, so God is both God and the Devil all at once. The perception of the Devil is a subjective perspective, as it is merely an expression of God, as is all of us.

I have a few friends who regularly leave their bodies to go and explore the Astral planes. I have done so myself. We all do so every night when we sleep. Sleeping is actually the act of us returning to our Divine Limitless state on the Astral, while our bodies on the physical plane gets to rest.
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Old 25-11-2016, 02:50 PM
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On Satan, my thoughts have been that he was created by the church to keep people in line. There are remote viewers that have found a being that could be thought of as the devil tho. On the 72 virgins in heaven, I will settle for a couple of porn queens .
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:50 AM
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If you have proof, then why ask for more? If your "proof" really is proof...you would never ask such a question.

It's not about what one experiences in a NDE, it's what one comes away with because of it. Do the research and you'll find out what that is. I came from the experience KNOWING the importance of unconditional love...as so many other NDErs have said. So, I'm very curious...please, give your evidence as to how this could possibly be a "trick of Satan".

I have a feeling that belief and "faith in Jesus" is why you ask this horrendously ridiculous question...I say horrendously ridiculous because because of my NDE and because of it I understand Christ. If you truly understood Christ, you'd understand the conflict in what you've asked and then stated.

But really, the important thing isn't what you, or I, or what anyone else "believes" (or doesn't believe)...what's important is that we understand and practice unconditional love...just as Jesus tried to impart.


MARDAV70.

You may have gotten the wrong impression from my post.

If you read my post again, you may be able to see that I was definitely not asking a question...

Especially as you put it.... (what did you call it....a horrendously ridiculous question).....no in my post there was definitely no question asked at all.

My post is a statement & a statement only & directed to forum member ""ASK21771"".

I have no issues with my state of being..whatsoever.

Am totaly & 110% on top of my spiritual & earthly side of my being.

Regards Neil.

Oh & ps. You speak of un conditional love in your reply post directed towards myself...sounding like it was a lecture for myself to learn from.

But if you read your reply post to mine, & IF YOU ARE HONEST WITH YOUR SELF....you maybe able to see that your words lack politeness, understanding, loving Ness, ext ext ext.....

& of course that kind of interaction with another being most definitely does not display unconditional LOVE, in it's self.

Take your time,,, read the forum post through carefully, & even read them a second or even a third time, & definitely read & re-read any words that you have typed, to see if your words are actually in harmony with gods way of love...

Before you click on the "submit button".

Neil.
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Old 26-11-2016, 02:10 PM
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Whoah...my apologies. I see what you mean, and I'm stumped at how that happened and sorry it did. I always look back at the OP to make sure who I'm responding to is or isn't the OP, and I'm sure I did here. I did read all the responses a couple times for some, before responding, but I obviously crossed wires somewhere. Yep...screwed up, and I offer my utmost apologies. I'm only human...lol...! Thanks much for bringing it to my attention...!

Nope. No lectrue...not intended as a lecture. I won't apologize for your perceiving that because they're simply my thoughts.

Lol...please let's not quibble about who is or who isn't practicing unconditional love...when we do that it opens up an opportunity for the ego to slip in. And alas, we're ALL subject to that, and we ALL succumb to the ego from time to time to one degree or another, and I'm no exception.
I still stand by my last line in that post.

Peace, Neil.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:38 AM
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Whoah...my apologies. I see what you mean, and I'm stumped at how that happened and sorry it did. I always look back at the OP to make sure who I'm responding to is or isn't the OP, and I'm sure I did here. I did read all the responses a couple times for some, before responding, but I obviously crossed wires somewhere. Yep...screwed up, and I offer my utmost apologies. I'm only human...lol...! Thanks much for bringing it to my attention...!

Nope. No lectrue...not intended as a lecture. I won't apologize for your perceiving that because they're simply my thoughts.

Lol...please let's not quibble about who is or who isn't practicing unconditional love...when we do that it opens up an opportunity for the ego to slip in. And alas, we're ALL subject to that, and we ALL succumb to the ego from time to time to one degree or another, and I'm no exception.
I still stand by my last line in that post.

Peace, Neil.
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Ha..MARDAV70....all sweet with myself, not any experience in my life upsets me anymore, if your post had have been meant to have been an unnecessary lecture from you to myself, I wouldn't have been upset, & I definitely was not expecting an apology, but your apology has warmth....nice.

Nothing can worry, upset, cause anxiety ext ext to a person once they realize that those & every other similar bad feeling emotions do not arise from within humans....those types of emotions including all anger, rage & you name it, all arise & originate from dark beings.....BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU MAY, AS HARD AS IT MAYBE TO BELIEVE....one can only perceive & believe if they have experienced what I am saying. & I respect that...smiles.
& I will go as far as to say that when one becomes a spiritual being, & visit the earth from time to time, they will see what is going on in the lives of humans, that humans are not aware of, it is all SMOKE & MIRROR tactics derived from dark beings.

Any way on a side note, I was on a highway road trip three hrs ago & three hrs into it, to go & purchase a motor bike. & Smiles..my car broke down.....was I angry absolutely not....while I was stranded for three hrs in the middle of no mans land, the dark beings that are constantly attached to me tried half heartedly to make me feel all kinds of dark emotions, but when one is aware one does not respond & get upset or angree ext ext ext,

So now they, the dark ones, are attached to me as I sit in a strange motel room, & are observing me, typing this post, through my eyes & my senses. & they are very un happy that they can not influence my posts & life with unloving behavior.

OH LIFE IS SO SWEET, NOW THAT I AM AWARE OF IT ALL.

Mardav70...regards to yourself from me.
Neil.
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