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Old 11-01-2017, 01:13 AM
Miss Hepburn Miss Hepburn is offline
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Hey, isn't non-duality simply changing perception?

I mean, really.

We have what our woefully limited senses bring us...then we have Reality.
Isn't it the best thing ever when we broaden our awareness to
go beyond our silly senses ...and we 'see' there is no up and down and no good or bad?
This is the God or the Infinite One's perspective.

And we can have it, too! I've been there...and gaining it more and more!!!
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I mean, really.

We have what our woefully limited senses bring us...then we have Reality.
Isn't it the best thing ever when we broaden our awareness to
go beyond our silly senses ...and we 'see' there is no up and down and no good or bad?
This is the God or the Infinite One's perspective.

And we can have it, too! I've been there...and gaining it more and more!!!
Very wonderfully and simply put. Yes, all it just takes is a split second shift of perceptual awareness.

It's the simplest thing, yet the simplicity of it, we make the most difficult thing.

To sustain that under different life circumstances, is the human saga of trial and tribulation.

It is there when I consciously focus on it, but not there when I do not - even though it is there all the time and even though I know it and realise it, sometimes (a lot of times) what goes on in the world makes me forget.

This is what I need to work on, but yes, you are 100% spot on.

It's also why I love to try and take people 'out of themselves' at any/every opportunity I get. :)

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Old 18-01-2017, 04:37 PM
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Yes, all it just takes is a split second shift of perceptual awareness.

It's the simplest thing, yet the simplicity of it, we make the most difficult thing.

To sustain that under different life circumstances, is the human saga of trial and tribulation.



"All it just takes is a split-second SHIFT of perceptual awareness", which is not completely unlike the shift between the perspective of the dualistic dream-object and the non-dualistic dreamer in a lucid dream or, even better, in "conscious sleep". Sustaining the awareness to shift at will is indeed the challenge, as you duly noted.

Very nicely put....and quite simple (in a very positive way).
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:19 AM
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I mean, really.

We have what our woefully limited senses bring us...then we have Reality.
Isn't it the best thing ever when we broaden our awareness to
go beyond our silly senses ...and we 'see' there is no up and down and no good or bad?
The senses aren't silly. The sense just show what is conditionedly imputed.
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:34 AM
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The senses are only mediums through which our brain and normal conscious awareness perceives our current environment.

This is why I love sensory illusion stuff like the Shepard tone as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzNzgsAE4F0

We can't trust our 'silly senses' anyway....see?

In Hinduism and Buddhism, the senses are something to be constrained and 'tamed' before finally being withdrawn into and under full conscious control and we call that one pratyahara.

Hence why they are our 'enemy' and we call them silly names. :P
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:20 PM
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My understanding of non-duality is being consistent in your words, deeds & thoughts ...
It can be challenging at times ...
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:45 PM
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My understanding of non-duality is being consistent in your words, deeds & thoughts ...
It can be challenging at times ...
Well, sure, consistency in those is wonderful.
Steadfastness is a plus.
Non-duality could be defined in many different ways...I believe it is meant
in this Section as more of 'seeing no separation'...
Not 2 (dual), but 1...this whole existence, creation of universes as One Whole.

Black and white do not exist...nor past and future, not even a you and me.
Thus, we are all part of The Whole...no far, no near, nor distance.

Anyone else?
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I mean, really.

We have what our woefully limited senses bring us...then we have Reality.
Isn't it the best thing ever when we broaden our awareness to
go beyond our silly senses ...and we 'see' there is no up and down and no good or bad?
This is the God or the Infinite One's perspective.

And we can have it, too! I've been there...and gaining it more and more!!!

Like I said earlier: The battle between the corporeal self and the higher self. In other words: Duality.
It's not about up and down, it's about the way you perceive it.
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:39 PM
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Not only is there no up or down...there is no such thing as matter!
Talk about a change in perception!
I'm not sure I see any 'battle', per se.
Oh, I remember I used to though, yes....when a shift happens,
it's not so hard anymore.

I'm not pushing A Course In Miracles, bec it is not for everyone...but
that is the one thing that helped with that 'Mind Shift'.
Rather than a battle or struggle it is more like what Necro, said...in a split second...it's a
change over, shift, an altered way of seeing things from the
average mind wave many dwell in.
I remember my first time shifting to what would be termed
an Altered State, for sure...
my first smile was thinking ...'Well, this is as easy as tying my shoe!'

I say this not to contradict, William, but to offer a diff way of looking at
some things...as actually quite easy.

It is similar to walking thru the Wardrobe in Narnia....or Alice in Wonderland...or in
deep meditation when everything simply flips to another world/dimension/realm.

Things are easier than they seem...the mind wants us to think it's hard...
binding us to this unreal place our woefully limited senses make us think
is real.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by riding daily in a balloon of divine perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones...
Meditate unceasingly, that you quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence"
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:11 PM
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Not only is there no up or down...there is no such thing as matter!
Talk about a change in perception!
I'm not sure I see any 'battle', per se.
Oh, I remember I used to though, yes....when a shift happens,
it's not so hard anymore.

I'm not pushing A Course In Miracles, bec it is not for everyone...but
that is the one thing that helped with that 'Mind Shift'.
Rather than a battle or struggle it is more like what Necro, said...in a split second...it's a
change over, shift, an altered way of seeing things from the
average mind wave many dwell in.
I remember my first time shifting to what would be termed
an Altered State, for sure...
my first smile was thinking ...'Well, this is as easy as tying my shoe!'

I say this not to contradict, William, but to offer a diff way of looking at
some things...as actually quite easy.

It is similar to walking thru the Wardrobe in Narnia....or Alice in Wonderland...or in
deep meditation when everything simply flips to another world/dimension/realm.

Things are easier than they seem...the mind wants us to think it's hard...
binding us to this unreal place our woefully limited senses make us think
is real.

The word 'battle' in this case is a metaphor, so you could call it whatever you like. 'Mind Shift' and 'altered state' are also fitting words.

But you're making me a little bit confused. Because from where I stand you give a description of Duality and call it Non-Duality. So.. what is your point?
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