100 % proof

[CrystalSong]

We may not believe in gravity, or in the existence of air or that the earth is round because it appears to our eyes flat with hills, but it does not make them any less so.

In some ways our beliefs do influence the world, in other ways they do not. We can not make the Divine Construct go away just because we do not believe in it, what we can do however is shut down our senses and perception so much that we do Not feel it and thus our reality is supported by our perceptions, and we have safely insulated ourselves from the Truth of the matter.

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

We may not believe in gravity, or in the existence of air or that the earth is round because it appears to our eyes flat with hills, but it does not make them any less so.

In some ways our beliefs do influence the world, in other ways they do not. We can not make the Divine Construct go away just because we do not believe in it, what we can do however is shut down our senses and perception so much that we do Not feel it and thus our reality is supported by our perceptions, and we have safely insulated ourselves from the Truth of the matter.

Nicely stated CrystalSong :^)

If a person likes music, but doesn't like country music, does their dislike of that particular style of music then make it go away? It may disappear within their personal reality but the music itself still continues...thusly, if a person denies their heritage and their destiny then that's their choice to make... it won't change things all that much in the long run, nor will it change much of what they'll encounter when they part with this particular life-theme...

We can believe or not believe as we so choose... thankfully, each particular life theme does not server as the final arbitrators in all this. Our deeper experience-of-self is immune to our current thoughts on the subject... so believe or not believe is uniquely relevant to that which we currently create...

That said, I'm kinda fascinated by watching all the versions-of-believing that folks have attached themselves to with varying degrees of proficiency... some versions are quite interesting, while other versions build self-constructed walls that the creator then uses to both block themselves from competing thoughts as well as to prevent others from entering the tight little belief-loops that they tend to hold overly dear...

Originally Posted by StephenK

Goodness no... don't "believe" any of it! Not until you "experience" it would any of this make sense... and not a moment before.... it would be delusional to be otherwise... :^)

I never used the word delusional.

I won't be experiencing something that doesn't exist, now will I?

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

We may not believe in gravity, or in the existence of air or that the earth is round because it appears to our eyes flat with hills, but it does not make them any less so.

all of these concepts are historically proven by mathematics.

In some ways our beliefs do influence the world, in other ways they do not. We can not make the Divine Construct go away just because we do not believe in it, what we can do however is shut down our senses and perception so much that we do Not feel it and thus our reality is supported by our perceptions, and we have safely insulated ourselves from the Truth of the matter.

My reality is supported by the sciences.

[psychoslice]

I think if something is proven 100%, then it would be common knowledge, but it ain't, if you only talk the talk, then keep it to yourself.

[CrystalSong]

Science is not here to support your reality forests rammac, it is merely a noble human endeavor to explain the world around us. Mystics do the same. However in the broader explorations scientific discovery runs behind the Mystics in it ability to understand the fabric of the world and cosmos, as science simply doesn't have the tools yet to explore it on the same level Mystics do.

However please continue to enjoy your reality as dictated to you by current scientific thought, and when and as it rewrites itself, it will be at a slow enough pace that most people can keep up, as has been the case so far historically.

Science eventually figuring out that a photon was BOTH a wave and a light particle forced history books world wide to be rewritten, however mystics have known it for 1000's of years, more than that they can direct them to circumnavigate the world at will, in tiny beams or large beams. In its easiest to comprehend format for the layman it's called Energy Healing.
Healers doing their work have been recorded on scientific instruments to have an incredible out put of measurable energy, as observable but as of yet not explainable by scientist.

It might interest you to know however that many governments of the world have caught up in at least one area that was formally only known about and used by Mystics. That is the ability to view from far away any place desired in the world with one's mere intention. Currently it's called Remote Viewing and it has been used in spy and espionage work by the US government since the 1970's and by Russia long before that, and before that that was the reason Kings always had a mystic in their pocket before going to war.
It might interest you to know that the human mind can do more than just remote View.

Russia's top Psychic could stop hearts with just her mind. Film footage of her many decades of working for with Russian officials have leaked out of Russia since the collapse of the Cold War and can be found on Utube and other places.

These are not the only areas science is closing the gap a little bit. Recently French scientist were able to teleport a single atom across the Rhine River and reconstitute it perfectly on the other side. It's a far cry from Yogi's and Tibetan Mystics who can teleport their entire body from village to village. But its a start.

You might also be interested in the telepathy experiments done by one of the last astronauts who went to the moon on NASA's final flight there.

Since science is what you most believe in I encourage you to look deeply into what all it's doing. It's got a loooong ways to go to accomplish what most fairly Awakened people can do, but having said that, science does impress me with its advances into understanding the very mysterious and wonderful Universe of possibilities we find ourselves born into.

You may also choose to discount the findings of your science because their findings and observations are easily dismissed by you through whatever means you choose. Earth is a free will planet and you can choose as you wish. You might find it interesting to dig a little deeper, you will find many of the things in these forums are things science is in fact delving into and making head way in their understanding of.

Science is a noble human endeavor to seek knowledge of all things by direct repeatable observation and experimentation.

Mystics just DO.

Originally Posted by forests rammac

I never used the word delusional.
I won't be experiencing something that doesn't exist, now will I?

You experience "physical matter" and yet it doesn't exist... science has reduced its description of physical matter to that of frozen light or condensed sound... but it isn't a solid... the primary scientific theories now hover around the concept of this reality being more akin to a hologram... and yet your experience keeps telling you that all this is solid... perhaps you may wish to revisit this "won't be experiencing" assumption... :^)

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

Mystics just DO.

Amen! :^)

[CrystalSong]

Actually I have further rebuttal.
The things I described above, discoveries made by science are OLD. 50+ years old.

Here's a few newer things for you, that if you would but do your OWN ACTUAL RESEARCH and educate yourself instead of heckling people in a forum on subjects you know nothing about even given your claims of scientific understanding and mathematics, you would quickly discover would put you in a sharing of mind set with us and perhaps even get to experience some of for YOURSELF beyond your limited current mental construct.

Reading and seeing the human aura and removing negative, chaotic and stagnant energies have since as far back as we can trace been common practices among Healers, Mystic and Shaman of all sorts. (Note halos around the heads and bodies on petroglyph's from many cultures.)

Today thanks to the advancement of Kirlian Photography, medical technicians are also now able to see the human auraic field for the first time, they call it the bio-electric field and are using it to assist in diagnosising treatments.

Psychic's and people who are aware how to use their telepathy have since as far back as we can trace been able to pick up image from the human mind to give them insights into what a person needs or even what past lives they have experienced or what trauma's they need resolved.
Now thanks to some very fancy computer programming and advanced technology we are able to begin to see images from the mind of humans displayed on screens. It might take you a little bit to find this research online but it is there in video format even so you too can see the subject and what they are seeing in their minds eye and that information displayed on the screen.

Quantum Physics has mathematically theorized now that there are an endless multitude of Universes, this is no surprise to the Mystic who travels the many Universes and timelines.

Research.
Open your mind.
If science is your god, find out what your god currently understands about the Universe/s from the micro to the cosmic.

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

Science is not here to support your reality forests rammac,..

Actually it does. YMMV.