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12-06-2016, 01:04 PM
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Knower
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The place of man in Theravada Buddhism
Would this be a proper sketchy representation of Theravada's paṭiccasamuppāda (with man involved)?
Your thoughts appreciated.
Metta
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12-06-2016, 02:09 PM
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Perhaps, but since all beings contain Buddha nature, even those who cannot read or understand these concepts,......
This can be proven very easily by the way (that all beings have Buddha nature). Simply observing the world in a quiet, non judgmental manner, as in meditation, is all that's necessary. Personally, I think empirical cognitive understanding of phenomena is not necessarily helpful, as it activates the ego, and people tend to really get attached to their opinions! So I am of the school that says the less known (theories, positions, concepts, explanations, etc), the better, the more practiced (actually living the precepts as best we can), also the better. Buddhists should rely on their own experiences and not so much on others truths or ideas. Simply understanding something like dependent origination does not really help me in my life, or lead to helping others.The whole scholarly approach to reality has always seemed like a closed loop, dead end to me.
If for some unfortunate reason I had to have a brain tumor removed, I would seek out the surgeon that had the most actual experience, not the one that had the most degrees or book training. I regard the correct way of conscious living as being just as important, and just as critical and urgent, as that imagined brain tumor. Who knows what the next moment will bring?
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12-06-2016, 02:28 PM
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Knower
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Quote:
Originally Posted by row37
Perhaps, but since all beings contain Buddha nature, even those who cannot read or understand these concepts,......
This can be proven very easily by the way (that all beings have Buddha nature). Simply observing the world in a quiet, non judgmental manner, as in meditation, is all that's necessary. Personally, I think empirical cognitive understanding of phenomena is not necessarily helpful, as it activates the ego, and people tend to really get attached to their opinions! So I am of the school that says the less known (theories, positions, concepts, explanations, etc), the better, the more practiced (actually living the precepts as best we can), also the better. Buddhists should rely on their own experiences and not so much on others truths or ideas. Simply understanding something like dependent origination does not really help me in my life, or lead to helping others.The whole scholarly approach to reality has always seemed like a closed loop, dead end to me.
If for some unfortunate reason I had to have a brain tumor removed, I would seek out the surgeon that had the most actual experience, not the one that had the most degrees or book training. I regard the correct way of conscious living as being just as important, and just as critical and urgent, as that imagined brain tumor. Who knows what the next moment will bring?
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Thanks for your input row37.
Pretty insightful - and I agree on the practice and precepts side.
However, Theravada deals quite a lot on realizing how phenomena arise and fade.
So for our practice, it is helpful to know how things fit together.
I like your approach though. It is also the best way to go about Buddhism.
Thanks and Metta.
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12-06-2016, 04:06 PM
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Knower
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cathutch
Would this be a proper sketchy representation of Theravada's paṭiccasamuppāda (with man involved)?
Your thoughts appreciated.
Metta
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Past------Cause------Avijja------------ + Tanha,Upadana--------Kilesa
...............................Sankhara-------- + Bhava-----------------Kamma
Present---Effect------Vinnana-------------|
...............................Nama Rupa----------|
...............................Salayatana----------|=Jati,Jaramarana----Vipaka
...............................Phassa--------------|
...............................Vedana-------------|
..............Cause------Tanha,Upadana--- + Avijja-----------------Kilesa
...............................Bhava------------ + Sankhara-------------Kamma
Future----Effect------Jati---------------|
...............................Jaramarana-----|= Vinnana,Nama Rupa,Salayatana,Phassa,Vedana-----Vipaka
I only know this kind of diagram of Paticcasamuppada.
Metta _/\_
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12-06-2016, 04:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mulyo13
Past------Cause------Avijja------------ + Tanha,Upadana--------Kilesa
...............................Sankhara-------- + Bhava-----------------Kamma
Present---Effect------Vinnana-------------|
...............................Nama Rupa----------|
...............................Salayatana----------|=Jati,Jaramarana----Vipaka
...............................Phassa--------------|
...............................Vedana-------------|
..............Cause------Tanha,Upadana--- + Avijja-----------------Kilesa
...............................Bhava------------ + Sankhara-------------Kamma
Future----Effect------Jati---------------|
...............................Jaramarana-----|= Vinnana,Nama Rupa,Salayatana,Phassa,Vedana-----Vipaka
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Interesting, mulyo13.
Thanks & Metta.
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