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Old 06-12-2019, 03:16 PM
Jyotir Jyotir is offline
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everyone strives for something different.
True, and that is everyone's free-will at play. But at the same time and given that free-will we do not have to choose the various or even infinite permutations of ignorance, thus being perpetually stuck in ever-changing forms of suffering confusion and dissatisfaction, thereby thinking foolishly and resigning ourselves to the limited fate that this is all that our "humanness" can be...simply ever-changing forms of diversity in ignorance.
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Not one is better than the other.
True, and the reason for that is quite significantly, an inherent equality of being, the source of which is the One Being we are part and parcel of, our intrinsic divinity which is for the most part unrealized in actuality, even if so intellectually or conceptually.
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That's what makes us human.
Not quite, or rather, that diversity alone is not what defines "human".
What makes us human is the self-conscious awareness of being able to recognize our inherent divinity as a potential which may allow us to transform our ignorance and imperfection, importantly, if invoked and utilized.

Becoming the divine beings we essentially ARE doesn't preclude also being diverse and unique. That is a very common, even popular misconception.
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"Diversity" all is needed to achieve a balance.
Balance of what? Simply surviving , getting by in misery with some intermittent pleasurable indulgences? Lurching arbitrarily in confusion between them? Is that what balance is? And a pathetic complacent resignation to, "What can you do? That's life!"

That is so sad if that is the extent of the vision.

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Old 08-12-2019, 12:24 PM
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True, and that is everyone's free-will at play. But at the same time and given that free-will we do not have to choose the various or even infinite permutations of ignorance, thus being perpetually stuck in ever-changing forms of suffering confusion and dissatisfaction, thereby thinking foolishly and resigning ourselves to the limited fate that this is all that our "humanness" can be...simply ever-changing forms of diversity in ignorance.

True, and the reason for that is quite significantly, an inherent equality of being, the source of which is the One Being we are part and parcel of, our intrinsic divinity which is for the most part unrealized in actuality, even if so intellectually or conceptually.

Not quite, or rather, that diversity alone is not what defines "human".
What makes us human is the self-conscious awareness of being able to recognize our inherent divinity as a potential which may allow us to transform our ignorance and imperfection, importantly, if invoked and utilized.

Becoming the divine beings we essentially ARE doesn't preclude also being diverse and unique. That is a very common, even popular misconception.

Balance of what? Simply surviving , getting by in misery with some intermittent pleasurable indulgences? Lurching arbitrarily in confusion between them? Is that what balance is? And a pathetic complacent resignation to, "What can you do? That's life!"

That is so sad if that is the extent of the vision.

~ J
what I meant by diversity is needed to make a balance. I'll use my wife and I for an example. She can be extroverted at times, I am more of a introverted person. One or the other alone isn't the best thing to be. Together there is a slight stress/edge present but not in a bad way. Let's say we were both one or the other. That could be and explosive combination if both are under stress. Or if everyone were hunters and there was no gatherer's we wouldn't be what we are today. For a other example.

There's a more than diversity that makes us human but there's only a small number of things that set us apart. Our problem solving skills, and our creativity. Those are the major things that make us human. Almost forgot, we also live in social groups. There is no other being on the planet that does all 3. Wolves only hunt, primates only gather and so on. If I had to fix my own vehicle I would be walking everywhere. If someone who specializes in fixes vehicles had to grow there own food or Hunt they may starve.
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Lol. Yes! Though, trying to accept things as they are doesn't seem to work.
Hm. I... completely forget what I meant by that. >.<

What if we took it back to the Fall? According to the story, everything was idyllic until man messed up. And now the world is viewed as being in a fallen, broken state. How do we accept this? Phrases that people use sometimes like, Everything is exactly the way it's meant to be then seem contradictory. Accepting the unacceptable is truly a challenge, but I think that's where God's mercy and grace come in. Without the sin, we wouldn't need a Savior. So instead of putting our faith in the idea that everything is perfect the way it is, I think it's better to put our faith in God's redemption and that that's where true acceptance comes from. In that way, it's not about self improvement. It's about recognizing who we are in light of God's truth, and allowing that truth to propel us forward.
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