not dealing with the "world"

[handy guy]

if one is barely in the world and not of it, and they seldom have to deal with the duality of the world, then imo that does not make for a very strong case when it comes to non-duality.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Even so, we may get opportunities to laugh
At our gaffes
When we falter
Within the linear time continuum altar.

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[handy guy]

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by handy guy

if one is barely in the world and not of it, and they seldom have to deal with the duality of the world, then imo that does not make for a very strong case when it comes to non-duality.

Of course, there are also those who have dealt with the duality of the world, can see the total stupidity and farce of it all (control and dominate through exclusion and not inclusion) and so the choice is made to be "not in/of the world" because it does not cater to one's eclectic spiritual tastes and lifestyle...but I am a dualist anyway (and not ashamed to admit that).

[handy guy]

what dharma is stupid and a farce when it comes to dealing with duality?

...granted some have paid their worldly dues and then become renunciate's.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by handy guy

what dharma is stupid and a farce when it comes to dealing with duality?

...granted some have paid their worldly dues and then become renunciate's.

How many people who say they "believe in Dharma" actually apply it to the letter according to the Vedas?

How many more simply are Adharmic anyway? yeah, basically, the whole world IS!

So one cannot use the argument of Dharma in the face of Adharma, when it ONLY makes a difference to the one who follows the Dharma and nobody else.

That is the whole argument here...and I choose my words very carefully so they cannot be misread, misconstrued or twisted to suit an agenda.

[handy guy]

is the cup half empty or half full?

how many apply parts of dharma on the way...billions obviously,

and who or what is Spirit working with, those billions obviously.

[happy soul]

Originally Posted by handy guy

is the cup half empty or half full?

Both!

And its half emptiness and half fullness are the SAME thing.

We should see things from different angles, and that those different perspectives complete a larger view of a unified phenomenon.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by handy guy

is the cup half empty or half full?

Neither!

The cup is simply what it is.

Whatever is in the cup is simply what it is.

If we talk about the cup being half empty or half full then we are comparing whatever is in the cup to an idea of what might be in the cup. But whatever is in the cup is already complete and perfect.

Peace.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by handy guy

what dharma is stupid and a farce when it comes to dealing with duality?

...granted some have paid their worldly dues and then become renunciate's.

I shall tell you...

Most, if not all, of what we perceive and believe is based upon our conditioned indoctrination of what our finite mind and intellect will only ACCEPT as being true and NOTHING else or otherwise - Dharma included.

There are two paths to Brahman, that of mutual exclusion, ie Duality does NOT exist (which most follow) and that of mutual inclusion, ie Unity in Diversity (which only a selected few do).

For example.. And a GOOD example..

There are some people who are generally disliked (even hated) by others.

They may have insulted somebody many years back... They may be slightly confrontational, they may have an eccentric lifestyle... Or a strong personality... And so, others will hate them (and hate ON them) ... But those who hate, will never admit they do as this will show a major character flaw and failing on THEIR part, so they substitute all that denial for AD HOMINEM rhetoric and attacks, then plot and plan to bring the other person down, so that they can "pay" for making the person feel that way.

This usually raises its head in such statements like (and stop me if you have heard these...)

"You had premarital sex last night... Premarital sex is against Dharma... ALL Hindus follow Dharma, so how can you even call yourself a Hindu? You are nothing but a fake... A fraud! "

" You worship an Idol... That is DUALITY... Only those who follow Advaita or non Duality are the REAL/TRUE Hindus... So how can you even call yourself one?"

Or my personal favourite..

" Hinduism is all about tolerance and inclusion, no matter your gender, skin colour, creed or where you come from... But you must be born in India of Hindu parents to BE a Hindu! It is impossible for a white woman born in Australia to be a Hindu or understand Hinduism... "

And this is where Dharma falls flat on its face.