Recognizing false or confused puffed up believers.

[mickiel]

False religious leaders really are speaking their own mind , their own dreams and they speak from their own hearts. Its a swelled up selfishness , their own view of God. Notice Jeremiah 23: 16 , it says they speak a vision of their own heart , meaning it's their view , not God's.

[mickiel]

False prophets often speak very well and have attractive ways about them. In Matt. 24:11 many false prophets will arise and deceive "Many". Notice the term "Many", meaning a whole lot of people. This shows the manipulative influence of the false leaders , people really believe them ; trust them. This is a serious problem and people are getting dupped.

[mickiel]

Its interesting to see false prophets pop up all over the place. Like an army they have been implanted into so many places.Many are being deceived , it's so many false deceviers. The devil is very wise and knows what he is doing. Or you can call the strong power a spirit , or that "Thing", or the opposition , or the evil. Whatever you call it, I think it's real and has human agents that are completely unaware that they are being used.

[mickiel]

I believe that spirits exist , or unseen powerful influences. That strong urge , that powerful something that raids human consciousness. In 1John 4:1 " Believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets are gone out into the world. These false prophets have a spirit in them which they think is God, and Satan is good at masquerading as God.

I mean these foolish humans may mean well , but their minds have been seduced , as have the believers who listen to them and follow them.

Notice again the use of the term " Many", many false prophets exist, of all races and gender , and in all cultures. Its a lot of them and many believers are being systematically misled, mostly because they don't study and think for themselves. They are like sheep , following the glaring human light, the dramatic personality of the false prophets.

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by SeaZen

All of them have mental health issues

Clinicians might detect many of the earmarks of what is termed megalomania. If so, indeed, it is a mental health issue. In these particular forums we should have some degree of confidence that few who participate here are vulnerable to these ministrations already having developed fields of belief/opinions/understanding. While individuals persist in what amounts to stalking their audience(despite what they might hope or think) is severely limited. Ignore is the best course of action, IMO, removing the enticement of a seemingly captive audience.

[mickiel]

False prophets or deceived believers have penetrated many churches and religious groups. Even in churches that are considered "True churches ", they are handicapped with these delusional people.

Notice Jeremiah 23:11, (God speaking), "For both prophet and priest are profane , yes, in my house have I found their wickedness , says the Lord." Wow, no group of believers are unaffected. This is serious power of seduction.

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

As for being "touched by the Divine/Grace"..

There is one who has... repeatedly...over and over in fact...but her ego doesn't want a bar of it! Her ego resents the intrusion and fights it off.
She struggles to maintain individuality.. personality and an actual SENSE of 'self'.

She has spent 50+ years forging an identity.. becoming a "person" in her own right..and not just some mindless drone with wings but no free will doing "His bidding!"...she doesn't want the "collective" to own her soul again... NEVER again!... There is no love in this...There is no peace in this...There are only cogs in the universal machine...and that is why she fights God instead of just accepting her fate..

What do you mean by "touched by the Divine/Grace" over and over

Why would someone think that God means being owned by a collective? This couldn't be further from Reality.

[mickiel]

Some false prophets are really just confused believers who have developed toxic doctrines that they have either learned from others or they have developed false interpretation on their own. They really believe in God , but they are just confused about the knowledge in their heads. Not to excuse these people , but we should define and understand them correctly.

Then there is the distorted desire to lead. Many people lust for leadership. They want to be out front , they desire power and glory , they want to be kings before the time.

This can be an emotional topic , with the bible stressing that the numbers of these people will be "Many", one thing that tells us is that many of them must and will be " likeable leaders", something must be attracting the masses. People are drawn to them. They must be personable
Leaders. And they must know how to talk to people. Some of them are intelligent thinkers.

Hey the seduction of the mind requires skill.

[mickiel]

Again I want to stress , ( because the bible stresses it) , the term "Many", which means a lot of people. There are many false teachers and many deceived pastors and many seduced believers. So deception is a common thing in our reality.

Notice Jesus in Matt. 24:5"For many shall come in my name saying I am Christ and shall deceive Many." Many false prophets will admit that Jesus is the Christ and will teach that , But the other things they mix into that will deceive Many.

Again "Many"; a whole lot of believers, smart people , ministers and leaders; all deceived.

Who do you think has the power to do this?

[sky]

Originally Posted by mickiel

Again I want to stress , ( because the bible stresses it) , the term "Many", which means a lot of people. There are many false teachers and many deceived pastors and many seduced believers. So deception is a common thing in our reality.

Notice Jesus in Matt. 24:5"For many shall come in my name saying I am Christ and shall deceive Many." Many false prophets will admit that Jesus is the Christ and will teach that , But the other things they mix into that will deceive Many.

Again "Many"; a whole lot of believers, smart people , ministers and leaders; all deceived.







' Who do you think has the power to do this?

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The mind....
You become what you think, your reality comes from your thoughts.

Guard your thoughts carefully