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Old 06-10-2017, 10:41 AM
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Grasping Nonduality

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Non-duality exists in only two ways;

1} as a metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept,

2} consideration, only the macro-infinite non-occupied space, in-of-itself, that exists beyond our finite, occupied space Universe.

All other talk of non-duality has not rational, logical common sense that I can find.

r6

Hello r6

I’m rational and logical much of the time - I’m also quite skeptical. As a young man I had never read a spiritual book in my life and was not remotely interested in anything along those lines. But eighteen years ago something remarkable happened as I tried meditation for relaxation purposes. I had a spontaneous shift in perception where narrative, time and separation receded - and I saw that (and this is what I crudely scribbled down soon after the 'experience') ‘no thing exists… only everything exists’. The next day I remember looking around the living room and there was my dog asleep on the carpet and the thought occurred ’you don’t exist - you existing is a category error - what exists is the everything’. Of course this is a crude, dualistic way of putting it - and of course my dog does have an existence (as does the carpet, chairs, the birds and trees etc.) but not in the way I had previously imagined. (As you can see, this sensibility does not exclude the relative apparent dualities that are encountered in everyday living.)

It seems that when the mind was starved of its usual ‘conceptualise, abstract and divide’ functioning, a deeper seeing became available. An intuitive seeing/gnosis from the whole - because that’s really what this is, the whole presenting as variation and differentiation at every turn.

Now I don’t expect to convince you with this - that never works. I’m just providing a bit of context by which you might see a glimmer of a way in and see how the dualistic functioning aspect of mind is the wrong tool for the job since that very functioning is synonymous with division and abstraction.
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:56 AM
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Hello r6

I’m rational and logical much of the time - I’m also quite skeptical. As a young man I had never read a spiritual book in my life and was not remotely interested in anything along those lines. But eighteen years ago something remarkable happened as I tried meditation for relaxation purposes. I had a spontaneous shift in perception where narrative, time and separation receded - and I saw that (and this is what I crudely scribbled down soon after the 'experience') ‘no thing exists… only everything exists’. The next day I remember looking around the living room and there was my dog asleep on the carpet and the thought occurred ’you don’t exist - you existing is a category error - what exists is the everything’. Of course this is a crude, dualistic way of putting it - and of course my dog does have an existence (as does the carpet, chairs, the birds and trees etc.) but not in the way I had previously imagined. (As you can see, this sensibility does not exclude the relative apparent dualities that are encountered in everyday living.)

It seems that when the mind was starved of its usual ‘conceptualise, abstract and divide’ functioning, a deeper seeing became available. An intuitive seeing/gnosis from the whole - because that’s really what this is, the whole presenting as variation and differentiation at every turn.

Now I don’t expect to convince you with this - that never works. I’m just providing a bit of context by which you might see a glimmer of a way in and see how the dualistic functioning aspect of mind is the wrong tool for the job since that very functioning is synonymous with division and abstraction.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I enjoyed reading it and I have been experiencing what you said, no thing exists only everything, to varying degrees. I believe there are big awakenings or shifts and gradual ones too etc. What your post has reminded me off is that i've had pointers along the way, like a recognition of how could you be anywhere else at this moment in time ? Then desire would stop or the mind rattling on or worrying about this and that and something would open up. Also the acceptance that thought can rattle on is part of it. lol Then I had another little realisation that nothing makes sense in isolation, you can try isolating things, making them seperate but their ultimate meaning is in their wholeness and interconnectedness, something like that. Not easy to put words too.Thanks, your post is a welcome reminder. All the best.Joe
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:08 AM
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I enjoyed reading it and I have been experiencing what you said, no thing exists only everything, to varying degrees. I believe there are big awakenings or shifts and gradual ones too etc. What your post has reminded me off is that i've had pointers along the way, like a recognition of how could you be anywhere else at this moment in time ? Then desire would stop or the mind rattling on or worrying about this and that and something would open up. Also the acceptance that thought can rattle on is part of it. lol Then I had another little realisation that nothing makes sense in isolation, you can try isolating things, making them seperate but their ultimate meaning is in their wholeness and interconnectedness, something like that. Not easy to put words too.Thanks, your post is a welcome reminder. All the best.Joe

Hello Joe. Thanks for the comments. Glad to hear that something here resonated.

Yes, after an initial opening there can be pockets of resistance along the way that demand some attention. But as you are clearly grasping, the insight that ‘ah… it’s that too’ becomes a kind of restorative wake-up that serves to undermine the mind’s shenanigans.
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Thanks for your sharing, Moondance. I believe it's these openings that can really spur us on our journeys to seek that which is everhere
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