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Old 11-08-2017, 05:10 AM
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In early Buddhism, the various yanas, or ways of enlightenment, included the way of the disciple (shravakayana) and the way of the self-enlightened buddha (pratyeka-buddhayana). The latter concept was retained only in the Theravada tradition. By contrast, Mahayana Buddhists emphasize the ideal of the bodhisattva, who postpones his own final enlightenment while he works toward the salvation of others, and they consider both the pratyeka-buddha and the arhat (perfected master) to be too limited achievements.

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Old 11-08-2017, 05:25 AM
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A good indepth exploration of the Paccekabuddha:


The Paccekabuddha:
A Buddhist Ascetic
A Study of the Concept of the Paccekabuddha
in Pali Canonical and Commentarial Literature


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Old 11-08-2017, 05:46 AM
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The Puggalapa˝˝atti enumerates nine individuals, first the Sammasambuddha, secondly the Paccekabuddha, thirdly the savaka, etc.

The first two are distinguished as follows: ôWhat individual is the Sammasambuddha? In this world a certain individual awakes by himself to the truths among teachings that are not heard of before and then attains omniscience (sabba˝˝uta) and mastery of the powers (bala); this individual is called a Sammasambuddha.

ôWhat individual is the Paccekabuddha? To this world a certain individual awakes by himself to the truths among teachings that are not heard of before and then he does not attain omniscience or mastery of the powers; this individual is called a Paccekabuddhaö (Pug 10).

So the Paccekabuddha attains enlightenment, but not the omniscience or the powers which are the special attainments of the Sammasambuddha.


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The island is Neutral / Positive, or Dzogchen (ZEN). The strong force (Neutron / Proton) in nature is the Dharma as invariance and symmetry that is unchanging. This allows translational symmetry, or individuation of forms (like Tao and named things). Reaching the original face is finding the original nature, which is the island (invariance). Compare this to the words of Jesus on the topic of non-judgment and positive only. Neutral / Positive. Judge not, or you judge yourself, which is the cry of one who knows sin firsthand. His host was his teacher. He literally judged himself, which is the aspect of his own will to overcome self. Literally, we are all the entire cosmos as expedient means to this answer. Love is the island that cannot change. Electrons break symmetry, revealing the cause of Dukkha. Imbalance in the system is broken bread in the Christian faith (this body which is shed for you). As the verse states, there can be no remission of sins (karma) without the shedding of blood (Dukkha / suffering). Ending judgement of others is realization of who they are in relation to your own self. ONE! Form the relative polarized state of good and evil, we arrive at the non-polarized balance above Dukkha, or the Island. In Sanskrit, Manu (man / law) means, "To Think." Yama means self-control. Budh means awaken. His mother is Mara (the illusion). Absolute must remake the body (tantra) by becoming the text (named things), which is parallel to John 1, the WORD made flesh. Father in Hebrew is Aleph Bet, or letters writing word (programming the illusion). Word is a volume written, or the person (tantric text as a body). DNA is the shadow of this process of letters (Father) writing word into a catalyst (mother). Son is the bread of seed baked in the cup of water, or immersion (baptism). All symbolism for a created and programmed reality with a purpose.

For the body to become the text (BUDH), the Buddha must realize his nature. It requires performance from practice, just as the use of any instrument in a symphony. Pratyeka yes, but watch the conductor. Tune your instrument. Performance comes from a score written by a composer. Of course, there's always improv and jazz. The object is to become the composer yourself.




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The island is Neutral / Positive, or Dzogchen (ZEN). The strong force (Neutron / Proton) in nature is the Dharma as invariance and symmetry that is unchanging. This allows translational symmetry, or individuation of forms (like Tao and named things). Reaching the original face is finding the original nature, which is the island (invariance). Compare this to the words of Jesus on the topic of non-judgment and positive only. Neutral / Positive. Judge not, or you judge yourself, which is the cry of one who knows sin firsthand. His host was his teacher. He literally judged himself, which is the aspect of his own will to overcome self. Literally, we are all the entire cosmos as expedient means to this answer. Love is the island that cannot change. Electrons break symmetry, revealing the cause of Dukkha. Imbalance in the system is broken bread in the Christian faith (this body which is shed for you). As the verse states, there can be no remission of sins (karma) without the shedding of blood (Dukkha / suffering). Ending judgement of others is realization of who they are in relation to your own self. ONE! Form the relative polarized state of good and evil, we arrive at the non-polarized balance above Dukkha, or the Island. In Sanskrit, Manu (man / law) means, "To Think." Yama means self-control. Budh means awaken. His mother is Mara (the illusion). Absolute must remake the body (tantra) by becoming the text (named things), which is parallel to John 1, the WORD made flesh. Father in Hebrew is Aleph Bet, or letters writing word (programming the illusion). Word is a volume written, or the person (tantric text as a body). DNA is the shadow of this process of letters (Father) writing word into a catalyst (mother). Son is the bread of seed baked in the cup of water, or immersion (baptism). All symbolism for a created and programmed reality with a purpose.

For the body to become the text (BUDH), the Buddha must realize his nature. It requires performance from practice, just as the use of any instrument in a symphony. Pratyeka yes, but watch the conductor. Tune your instrument. Performance comes from a score written by a composer. Of course, there's always improv and jazz. The object is to become the composer yourself.




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Hi, I really like this. Where is this from? I assume they are not your own words.
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Hi, I really like this. Where is this from? I assume they are not your own words.

All my own words written today. The concepts come from an unbiased approach to the study of Sanskrit and the various traditions, including Christian texts. I do not follow theology, but the underlying symbolism found in both linguistics, root morphology and the letters themselves. There is a hidden story there encoded. Sanskrit is a key to this. You can find more of my thoughts in summary here, then from the listed website in the document. You will need to enlarge to view.

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The island is Neutral / Positive, or Dzogchen (ZEN). The strong force (Neutron / Proton) in nature is the Dharma as invariance and symmetry that is unchanging. This allows translational symmetry, or individuation of forms (like Tao and named things). Reaching the original face is finding the original nature, which is the island (invariance). Compare this to the words of Jesus on the topic of non-judgment and positive only. Neutral / Positive. Judge not, or you judge yourself, which is the cry of one who knows sin firsthand. His host was his teacher. He literally judged himself, which is the aspect of his own will to overcome self. Literally, we are all the entire cosmos as expedient means to this answer. Love is the island that cannot change. Electrons break symmetry, revealing the cause of Dukkha. Imbalance in the system is broken bread in the Christian faith (this body which is shed for you). As the verse states, there can be no remission of sins (karma) without the shedding of blood (Dukkha / suffering). Ending judgement of others is realization of who they are in relation to your own self. ONE! Form the relative polarized state of good and evil, we arrive at the non-polarized balance above Dukkha, or the Island. In Sanskrit, Manu (man / law) means, "To Think." Yama means self-control. Budh means awaken. His mother is Mara (the illusion). Absolute must remake the body (tantra) by becoming the text (named things), which is parallel to John 1, the WORD made flesh. Father in Hebrew is Aleph Bet, or letters writing word (programming the illusion). Word is a volume written, or the person (tantric text as a body). DNA is the shadow of this process of letters (Father) writing word into a catalyst (mother). Son is the bread of seed baked in the cup of water, or immersion (baptism). All symbolism for a created and programmed reality with a purpose.

For the body to become the text (BUDH), the Buddha must realize his nature. It requires performance from practice, just as the use of any instrument in a symphony. Pratyeka yes, but watch the conductor. Tune your instrument. Performance comes from a score written by a composer. Of course, there's always improv and jazz. The object is to become the composer yourself.




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" the Buddha must realize his nature ".....
If he hadn't realized his nature he wouldn't be a Buddha.
In Buddhism there is no ' Sin ', Karma is cause and effect.
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" the Buddha must realize his nature ".....
If he hadn't realized his nature he wouldn't be a Buddha.
In Buddhism there is no ' Sin ', Karma is cause and effect.

Kamma is volition.
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:09 AM
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Kamma is volition.

Yes thanks Gem, I should have said, cause and effect that every volitional act brings about...
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Volition leading to karma is an interesting idea.

The way I see it, the un-enlightened state, which is the karma producing state, is where one is fully identified with mind/thought so is basically un self aware, or commonly said to be in an "unconscious"state. One is operating in a kind of hypnotized state where one takes the thoughts to be self and just unconsciously goes with it creating a delusional experience of now.

One definition of volition is "the faculty or power of using one's will." So what is the "one" in that unconscious state described above? The ego, the self created through identifying with thought acts. Makes choices. But really it seems to me the true "self" is not acting. The self created by ones conditioning, by identifying with thought, and all of that is acting. The true self is witnessing, experiencing the self it has created through identification with mind.

Enlightened persons do things. Buddha reached enlightenment and no longer created karma. So in Buddha's case, volition did not create karma? But then if one is enlightened, does one act because of volition? Seems like in the enlightened, the act or volition or will is used to choose the enlightened state, not the action. The action comes forth because of the nature of the unconditioned state. So there is no self creating action, thus, no karma is created.

It's interesting though because to me there is a strong and disciplined action or act of will in the enlightened. So there is volition, but it's source is liberated consciousness itself. Consciousness chooses to be awake. To not be identified with mind. To be free from one's conditioning. From that state, action flows naturally without effort or mind. Out of beingness. So no karma is created.

So the idea, volition is karma, is true in one sense, in the un-enlightened. But then volition in the enlightened, is not karma. Volition in the un-enlightened, is a product of ego-self. Volition is the enlightened is the will of true self to be awake and aware and to be non-identified with ego/thought.

Well, all volition is kamma, and it isn't just what we regard in English as intention, because unintentional reactivity is also kamma and produces 'results'. An 'enlightened one', rather than exerting volition in the action reaction cycle that perpetuated rebirth, emanates the endless love endemic to our 'true nature'. Some monks call that 'volition' because they perceive it to be 'good-will'. But the enlightened one has seen through the delusion of themselves, and understands that volition is and always was a delusion born of ignorance on one's true nature.
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