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24-07-2011, 08:05 PM
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Discrepancy
We have never been in the situation that we are in today. We have never experienced a discrepancy between two systems. Today all of us together constitute a common, integral system ("We"), but it is egoistic. And at the same time we are inside of the natural system, which is permeated by bestowal and love. The difference or gap between these two systems is what creates the sensation of a crisis.
This difference keeps growing because we are developing in our egoism, while the upper system is coming closer to us. In particular, the crisis is being expressed precisely due to the revelation of nature.
In the past we expanded our system over the course of history, until we reached today – integrality and interconnection. However, every person continues to operate within his narrow interests, even though he can no longer shed the global bonds and is entirely dependent on others.
As a result, we end up with interdependence and mutual hatred, which stands in extreme contrast to the force of bestowal that influences us. Moreover, on the inside we are bound together with one another and at the same time, disunited to the maximum.
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24-07-2011, 08:10 PM
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When your in a state of bliss, peace, joy, ego is not present. It cannot survive in the present moment. It's all about the love. Egotism doesn't evolve with you spiritually unless you let it. With awareness, it creates a gap between ego and self. A new dimension is in the picture now. Ego has to do with the mind. When your fully present in the moment you are not thinking, you are feeling.
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24-07-2011, 10:13 PM
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More info. Needed
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Originally Posted by yonex83
We have never been in the situation that we are in today.
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Is this the collective we as in all of humanity? If so, how is this determined that this applies to everyone?
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Originally Posted by yonex83
We have never experienced a discrepancy between two systems. Today all of us together constitute a common, integral system ("We"), but it is egoistic. And at the same time we are inside of the natural system, which is permeated by bestowal and love. The difference or gap between these two systems is what creates the sensation of a crisis.
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This isn’t a real crisis, but the ‘sensation’ or perception of one. Is isn’t Me or We, but Me + We (Dalai Lama)
Ego is just our sense of self/individuality. This isn’t problematic.
Ego Is OK, Even ➥➥➥Beloved↵↵↵- http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...829#post219829
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Originally Posted by yonex83
This difference keeps growing because we are developing in our egoism, while the upper system is coming closer to us.
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It is we who reach out to higher dimensional awareness. It is NOT foisted on us.
'USAGE The words egoism and egotism are frequently confused, as though interchangeable, but there are distinctions worth noting. ... Egotism, the more commonly used term, denotes an excessive sense of self-importance, too-frequent use of the word 'I,' and general arrogance and boastfulness. Egoism, a more subtle term, is perhaps best left to ethicists, for whom it denotes a view or theory of moral behavior in which self-interest is the root of moral conduct. An egoist, then, might devote considerable attention to introspection, but could be modest about it, whereas an egotist would have an exaggerated sense of the importance of his or her self-analysis, and would have to tell everyone.' Computer dictionary.
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Originally Posted by yonex83
In particular, the crisis is being expressed precisely due to the revelation of nature.
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What does this mean?
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Originally Posted by yonex83
In the past we expanded our system over the course of history, until we reached today – integrality and interconnection. However, every person continues to operate within his narrow interests, even though he can no longer shed the global bonds and is entirely dependent on others.
As a result, we end up with interdependence and mutual hatred, which stands in extreme contrast to the force of bestowal that influences us. Moreover, on the inside we are bound together with one another and at the same time, disunited to the maximum.
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What is ‘our system’ in the first sentence? How are people dependent on others? How does this end up w/ mutual hatred? What is the ‘force of bestowal’ & how does it ‘influence us?’
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25-07-2011, 07:27 PM
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Every person has to carry out his own work, and by doing that every person works not for himself, but for others. That is our interconnection. A person does not have his own desire. His desire is in all other people. He does not have his personal work, which he can complete alone. He works until he corrects his inclusion into everyone else.
As a result we reveal a certain “holographic picture”: I am included in everything and everyone is included in me. Right now it is concealed from us because otherwise we would not be able to move from where we stand. Really, what do I have to give to others? I do not want to be occupied by their problems and do not want to do anything for them. I am unable to carry out work unless all of its fruits are consumed by others.
Therefore, no matter what the calculation may be, positive or negative, we make it only in relation to the common whole and evaluate a person’s actions only in relation to others. It’s impossible to say that his action was good or bad unless we evaluate the results by the influence on others: whether he brought them closer to the goal of creation or on the contrary, separated them from it.
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25-07-2011, 08:48 PM
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Yonex
You talk about every person, he, we and us.
How about changing your opening post and using the word 'I' in place of 'you', 'everyone', 'he', 'we' and 'us'.
It can be quite the eye-opener.
Squatch
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