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Old 08-09-2015, 10:40 AM
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VERMA'S EXPERIMENT DISPROVES 13.7 BILLION YEARS AGE of the UNIVERSE

In Universe the stars and galaxies are moving away showing a characteristic color called as RED SHIFT (z). Scientists, analyzing these Red Shift Spectrum have determined the AGE of the UNIVERSE between 13.7 -15 billion years.

While determining the age scientists have missed Relativity Factor as a result the AGE of the SOLAR SYSTEM is MISTAKEN for the AGE of the UNIVERSE. We shall experimentally verify HOW ?


Let us consider 3 Cars A B and C are speeding from NEW DELHI AIRPORT in night time

NEW DELHI AIRPORT Car C>_______________
Car A>_____________
MUMBAI _____________________________________Car B>_____________

(SORRY IF THE DIAGRAM DOES NOT COME CORRECTLY )

While sitting in Car C we follow and take moving picture of trailing RED LIGHTS of Cars A&B. Let the SPEED of Cars AB&C is 25,25, 15 Kms/ Hour respectively. As Speeds of Cars A&B is more let the BLURRED IMAGE of RED LIGHT increases at the rate of 1 cm/ hour due to the RELATIVE difference of speeds of AB& C cars.

On way we pick up Prof Hubble and ask him to tell time T since we had been driving. Hubble would be quick to tell the Time ( observing 1.5 cm the length of Red Shift ) to be 1.5 HOURS of our Car C.

Now suppose the car B had been traveling for last 50 hours from MUMBAI before joining us at the DELHI AIRPORT, Would Hubble be able to tell this fact by analyzing RED SHIFT ? The answer is NO. The film would not show any Red Shift that occurred before commencement of our Journey.

Now let us convert this experiment with reference to the EARTH> Here Car C is EARTH and Delhi Air Port is the origin point of our journey or SOLAR SYSTEM and Mumbai is the origin point of Car B or the UNIVERSE>. The Red Shift Between Delhi to Mumbai or the Time interval between Solar system and Origin of the Universe remains un accounted.

THUS WE CAN SEE THAT 13.7 BILLION YEARS ( AGE DETERMINED BY red shift) CORRESPOND TO THE AGE OF SOLAR SYSTEM AND IS not THAT OF THE UNIVERSE. THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE CALCULATED IN 4 DIFFERENT WAYS COMES AROUND 155.4 TRILLION YEARS. DETAILS COULD BE SEEN IN 'The UNIVERSE' ISBN 9788190950206
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In Universe the stars and galaxies are moving away showing a characteristic color called as RED SHIFT (z). Scientists, analyzing these Red Shift Spectrum have determined the AGE of the UNIVERSE between 13.7 -15 billion years.

While determining the age scientists have missed Relativity Factor as a result the AGE of the SOLAR SYSTEM is MISTAKEN for the AGE of the UNIVERSE. We shall experimentally verify HOW ?


Let us consider 3 Cars A B and C are speeding from NEW DELHI AIRPORT in night time

NEW DELHI AIRPORT Car C>_______________
Car A>_____________
MUMBAI _____________________________________Car B>_____________

(SORRY IF THE DIAGRAM DOES NOT COME CORRECTLY )

While sitting in Car C we follow and take moving picture of trailing RED LIGHTS of Cars A&B. Let the SPEED of Cars AB&C is 25,25, 15 Kms/ Hour respectively. As Speeds of Cars A&B is more let the BLURRED IMAGE of RED LIGHT increases at the rate of 1 cm/ hour due to the RELATIVE difference of speeds of AB& C cars.

On way we pick up Prof Hubble and ask him to tell time T since we had been driving.









Hubble would be quick to tell the Time ( observing 1.5 cm the length of Red Shift ) to be 1.5 HOURS of our Car C.


Using red shift, Hubble could only tell how fast the car is moving away from him.

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Now suppose the car B had been traveling for last 50 hours from MUMBAI before joining us at the DELHI AIRPORT, Would Hubble be able to tell this fact by analyzing RED SHIFT ? The answer is NO.


Red shift is only a measure of speed. Hubble would tell you exactly how fast the cars are moving away from each other.



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The film would not show any Red Shift that occurred before commencement of our Journey.


Light speed is very, very fast, so he would only see a car light at 50km from a nano second ago.



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Now let us convert this experiment with reference to the EARTH> Here Car C is EARTH and Delhi Air Port is the origin point of our journey or SOLAR SYSTEM and Mumbai is the origin point of Car B or the UNIVERSE>. The Red Shift Between Delhi to Mumbai or the Time interval between Solar system and Origin of the Universe remains unaccounted.


That's simply incorrect. I'll explain it below.


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THUS WE CAN SEE THAT 13.7 BILLION YEARS ( AGE DETERMINED BY red shift)


Redshift only tells us how fast galaxies move away from each other. Nothing else.



Distance is measured by the observed brightness of supernovae. All these supernovae explode with the same brightness, so it's quite simple to derive their distance by how brightly or dimly they appear to us.

Supernovae which are further away appear dimmer, and their red shift is also greater. Thus we conclude that more distant galaxies move away from each other at a greater speed than those in closer proximity. That's what we call 'acceleration'. That is expressed by Hubble's constant. The formula is: velocity = Hubble's constant multiplied by distance.





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CORRESPOND TO THE AGE OF SOLAR SYSTEM AND IS not THAT OF THE UNIVERSE. THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE CALCULATED IN 4 DIFFERENT WAYS COMES AROUND 155.4 TRILLION YEARS. DETAILS COULD BE SEEN IN 'The UNIVERSE' ISBN 9788190950206




If I can explain how Hubble's constant works, then you should be able it explain how your theory works. It's not sufficient to claim it is calculated in 4 different ways and not explain anything at all!
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Old 14-08-2018, 10:05 AM
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Using red shift, Hubble could only tell how fast the car is moving away from him.



Red shift is only a measure of speed. Hubble would tell you exactly how fast the cars are moving away from each other.





Light speed is very, very fast, so he would only see a car light at 50km from a nano second ago.





That's simply incorrect. I'll explain it below.





Redshift only tells us how fast galaxies move away from each other. Nothing else.



Distance is measured by the observed brightness of supernovae. All these supernovae explode with the same brightness, so it's quite simple to derive their distance by how brightly or dimly they appear to us.

Supernovae which are further away appear dimmer, and their red shift is also greater. Thus we conclude that more distant galaxies move away from each other at a greater speed than those in closer proximity. That's what we call 'acceleration'. That is expressed by Hubble's constant. The formula is: velocity = Hubble's constant multiplied by distance.









If I can explain how Hubble's constant works, then you should be able it explain how your theory works. It's not sufficient to claim it is calculated in 4 different ways and not explain anything at all!


Red Shift can indicate distance besides speed. All these things you can find in college textbooks and in the Title 'The Universe'. This book presents a new Cosmology by defeating 'Big Bang in about 46 counts. I cannot give coaching on merits of BB.

Regarding VERMA'S EXPERIMENT... the viewers can see the Diagrams and detail on link http://www.discoverybooks.org/tu-38.html

LHC experiment failed 5 times and was unable to prove Big Bang theory. It would be better if you could guide 9000 scientists there and prove it.
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Old 14-08-2018, 12:50 PM
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Red Shift can indicate distance besides speed.


If you already have the brightness by which distance is determined, and redshift at that distance is consistant, then you can assume distance from redshift. Redshift itself is a measure of speed, and brightnessis a measure of distance. In the case of cars, redshift only measures speed (unless the brightness of the lights is known). You'd already know that, though.





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All these things you can find in college textbooks and in the Title 'The Universe'. This book presents a new Cosmology by defeating 'Big Bang in about 46 counts. I cannot give coaching on merits of BB.

Regarding VERMA'S EXPERIMENT... the viewers can see the Diagrams and detail on link http://www.discoverybooks.org/tu-38.html

LHC experiment failed 5 times and was unable to prove Big Bang theory. It would be better if you could guide 9000 scientists there and prove it.




Your photo in the link is a misappropriated image intended to portray Einstein's space/time curvature, AKA gravity, and you just wrote 15 billion years on it .


The car analogy is very unclear.
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