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Old 17-04-2020, 11:18 PM
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Very interesting to hear that atheists have mystical experiences. It would be illuminating to read some of their accounts and there take on the sources of these experiences.
By definition any experience someone has that they (or others) can't logically explain as being a 'natural' phenomenon is a 'mystery', hence a 'mystical' experience.

Also, what is 'mystical' to some, others might find logically explainable, and so not at all be 'mystical' to them.

For example:

http://news.mit.edu/2019/how-expecta...erception-0715

http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/how-does-...ect-perception

So someone who is consciously (or unconsciously!) 'open' (i.e. in one way or another expects!) to experience a 'sign' that there is a 'ghost' or 'angel' or kind of 'god' around will eventually have an experience which they interpret as being a 'sign' or 'proof' that such a 'ghost' or 'angel' or 'god' is real.

Most people are quite 'suggestible' in this regard. Interestingly, people who disbelieve in (and so expect not to encounter) 'ghosts', 'angels' or 'gods' etc. will interpret any and all of their experiences as 'showing' that there are no 'ghosts', 'angels' or 'gods' etc.

There is plenty of research pertaining to 'believers' versus those who are 'skeptical' in relation to 'psychic' (i.e. 'mystical') phenomena: for example, check out https://link.springer.com/article/10...421-015-0563-x

Also see https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/02/16...sychic-powers/
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Old 17-04-2020, 11:36 PM
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So someone who is consciously (or unconsciously!) 'open' (i.e. in one way or another expects!) to experience a 'sign' that there is a 'ghost' or 'angel' or kind of 'god' around will eventually have an experience which they interpret as being a 'sign' or 'proof' that such a 'ghost' or 'angel' or 'god' is real.

Most people are quite 'suggestible' in this regard. Interestingly, people who disbelieve in (and so expect not to encounter) 'ghosts', 'angels' or 'gods' etc. will interpret any and all of their experiences as 'showing' that there are no 'ghosts', 'angels' or 'gods' etc.
P.S. This belongs in the "What if" bucket, I think:

Given the demonstrated/demonstrable fact that beliefs and expectations are power-fully 'creative' force-factors (there are many books available on "The Power of 'Positive' Thinking" as well and many videos like Joe Dispenza's dealing with the subject as well!), it has occurred to me as a possible possibility that peeps who firmly disbelieve in 'life after death' may actually 'set the stage' for their not having one.
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Old 18-04-2020, 07:15 AM
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Very interesting to hear that atheists have mystical experiences. It would be illuminating to read some of their accounts and there take on the sources of these experiences.

Maybe the greatest misconception of our times.

What have mystical experiences to do with believing in (a) god(s)?

Without this misconception, science - the study of life in all aspects - would have already made big strides, something it refuses to countenance as yet due to failing objectivity.

All the experiences we have, in whatever form, are based solely upon that life which forms itself by reflection in our minds. If you think there is a god so one will appear.

Whatever you believe is true. This is obliquely referred to as free will. Free Will is the open horizon created by the universe to expand itself away from all boundaries.

How you do it is up to you.
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Old 18-04-2020, 07:37 AM
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What would be the point in existence and god if life wasn’t a balance of ying yang. Also to add... this Reality is a projection from the conciousness. U want to change ur present then learn to manifest. God isn’t there to save us nor destroy us. I like to call god source as the word god to me would be human form as really the creator is just light energy source and we all are part of that energy. You are source like all of us and and can change your own reality with manifestation. That’s how life works. It all about thought process and putting our energy into that thought process. I don’t understand why people call out for gods help when in fact it’s in yourself you need to inside to.
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Old 18-04-2020, 07:53 AM
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Very interesting to hear that atheists have mystical experiences. It would be illuminating to read some of their accounts and there take on the sources of these experiences.

People of all walks in life can feel overcome by bliss and light when they’re at peace (in or even outside of meditation). It is not unique to religious people. The latter just interpret such according to their religious beliefs. The bliss and light become ‘blessings’, the ‘god’, “result of penance”, and so forth.
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Old 18-04-2020, 08:20 AM
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How much bliss is beyond 'beliefs' and the wicarry of 'words'.
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Old 18-04-2020, 08:28 AM
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Very interesting to hear that atheists have mystical experiences. It would be illuminating to read some of their accounts and there take on the sources of these experiences.


Do the experiences need a ' Source ' can't they just be unexplained mysteries
Does a Flower need to know where it's Petals come from before it blossoms....
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Old 18-04-2020, 09:24 AM
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P.S. This belongs in the "What if" bucket, I think:

Given the demonstrated/demonstrable fact that beliefs and expectations are power-fully 'creative' force-factors (there are many books available on "The Power of 'Positive' Thinking" as well and many videos like Joe Dispenza's dealing with the subject as well!), it has occurred to me as a possible possibility that peeps who firmly disbelieve in 'life after death' may actually 'set the stage' for their not having one.

If soul/spirit lives on and is indestructible, than to its survival it matters nothing what its mortal mind believed..
If NDE accounts are anything to go by, than it's how you live your life that matters, not what you believe.

There is power in positive thinking and in beliefs, which can stir us into action, and 'spiritually', can 'shape' one's mystical experience, but IMO that (the latter) is more side-show and conditioning. What you say here reads like a severe form of relativism to me, where everyone could literally live in a different after life. This has solipsist implications.
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Old 18-04-2020, 01:23 PM
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LadyMay:"Your focus has been on this for years.
I don't know what I'm trying to say, just that if you can't figure it out, why waste the energy being bothered
when there are more enjoyable and worthwhile pursuits in life?
It just seems redundant to me, asking the same question over and over again with no conclusion...." *shortened*
( New thing, not using quote boxes as requested by Lynn.)

This is true, Honza - it's like a needle stuck, thus, repeating the same thing on a record. Sorry, buddy, but it's true.
Many become professional skeptics and doubters - never getting out of that groove they have made for themselves.
I hope you pick up the needle and put it down in a new groove. I do.
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Old 18-04-2020, 01:30 PM
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Who will Atheist shout out to
Lol... They just shout " oh s**t"....!
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