Do you think that life on earth is poor?

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Elfin

Hi... Couldn't agree more...animals and plants never lie!
..humans on the other hand .....?

Humans behave like dream-characters ... Can't blame them.

[JosephineB]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Humans behave like dream-characters ... Can't blame them.

You say that like you aren't human Inavalan.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

You say that like you aren't human Inavalan.

You misunderstood my words. I am human.

[JosephineB]

Originally Posted by inavalan

You misunderstood my words. I am human.

Thanks for the confirmation

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

Thanks for the confirmation

Thanks for your concern.

Originally Posted by inavalan

Humans behave like dream-characters ... Can't blame them.

No... I often go into my own head and live a dream life with a created character!! Although all depends on the person and the character they create. Some might not be too desirable!!! I am sure animals and plants don't do that. But then how do we know? We just do .

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Elfin

No... I often go into my own head and live a dream life with a created character!! Although all depends on the person and the character they create. Some might not be too desirable!!! I am sure animals and plants don't do that. But then how do we know? We just do .

I believe that animals, at least some of them, dream. I watched my dog apparently dreaming.

My statement referred to two different aspects:

1. I believe that as the awake-we are to the dream-we from our dreams, in the same way our inner-selves-we are to the awake-we. So, we here are the dream characters in our inner-selves' dreams.

2. Because of social conditioning, we are in a permanent induced trance that makes us not see things that are, and see things that aren't. We aren't born that way, but growing up in society has this hypnotic effect on us. As we can become lucid in our dreams, the same way we could become lucid in our awake-lives, and understand who we are and why we are here.

[JosephineB]

I believe that animals, at least some of them, dream. I watched my dog apparently dreaming.

I'm sure animals do dream. All the cats we've had do that twitching and the noises. The last cat used to wake up sometimes, look at me and meow, like it was my fault! I've seen a rabbit dreaming too.

Here's an octopus apparently dreaming. Beautiful colour changes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vKCLJZbytU

[Starman]

I feel like we are all living in each others dreams; most humans live their entire lives in their heads chasing their dreams. Most people do not live in the here and now, in the moment, they live chasing the future, their expectations and desires, which we impose on each other.

We assess and judge our existence by our expectations. The human race is capable of great horrors and we are also capable of great compassion. I don’t think the thing is one sided only looking at the bad. In 72-years of living I have had some phenomenally fulfilling and uplifting experiences here on Earth, and I have also witnessed the great trauma that we inflict on each other. I worked as a professional helper for 42-years and saw a great deal of pain and suffering in others.

The true wealth is deep within us, and people have got to do work on themselves and dig out those precious gems that we all possess. Many do not want to work on themselves, they blame their problems on others, or they look for and instant remedy. The animals and plants, just like our environmental issues, are just responding to us, our confusion with ourselves.

When I am in the great outdoors camping and doing meditation I find animals respond to me differently than when I am stuck with the chatter in my head and not in that meditative experience. I also find in that meditative state I can commune with plant life in ways that I don’t otherwise.

For me planet Earth is a planet of awakening, and what we see around us in humanity are growing pains. It is very difficult when we have not seen the growth, or the door to that deeper experience has yet to present itself. It is a lifelong journey of trial and error, a lifelong journey of learning in my opinion. And we are all doing it at our own pace and in ways that are unique to us individually. Whatever we go through, can count towards our growth and devlopment, if we let it.

Originally Posted by inavalan

I believe that animals, at least some of them, dream. I watched my dog apparently dreaming.

My statement referred to two different aspects:

1. I believe that as the awake-we are to the dream-we from our dreams, in the same way our inner-selves-we are to the awake-we. So, we here are the dream characters in our inner-selves' dreams.

2. Because of social conditioning, we are in a permanent induced trance that makes us not see things that are, and see things that aren't. We aren't born that way, but growing up in society has this hypnotic effect on us. As we can become lucid in our dreams, the same way we could become lucid in our awake-lives, and understand who we are and why we are here.

... Sorry ..yes animals do dream... And yes also we can become lucid when we need to... For me at this moment in time I'm living between lucid and non lucid. I can only create so much. I live between 3d and 5d .... Which is really surreal, but at the same time "normal"..