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Old 13-07-2017, 04:59 AM
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BlueSky is obsessed with finding a truth that doesn't exist. And instead of working on getting rid of this obsessive irrationality he/she is permanently feeding it.


' The Four Noble Truths ' are the truth, they certainly correspond with reality.
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Old 13-07-2017, 05:15 AM
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You see everything so simple ...
Because everything is simple. I just focus on what causes stress and what makes stress cease.
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"Both formerly and now, monks, I declare only stress and the cessation of stress.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit...an.html#dukkha
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Old 13-07-2017, 05:33 AM
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' The Four Noble Truths ' are the truth, they certainly correspond with reality.
Neither do I affirm this, nor do I negate this. Why? Because there may be individuals for whom this applies and there may be individuals for whom this does not apply.
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Old 13-07-2017, 05:56 AM
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Because everything is simple. I just focus on what causes stress and what makes stress cease.

Is human only live with or without stress then human is satisfied? Can a person only focus on only one or certain thing. Life is in all types of human activities and feelings and relationship and interaction between neighbors and friends.......... emotions, suffering, sickness .....
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Old 13-07-2017, 06:06 AM
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Is human only live with or without stress then human is satisfied?
In the context of this buddhist forum it is relevant only if there is stress or not. In the context of life in general dissatisfaction cannot arise when there is no stress. It is impossible to be dissatisfied when there is no stress.

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Can a person only focus on only one or certain thing.
yes but the question is whether he/she is willing to and what conditionings he/she is willing to stop or to feed.

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Life is in all types of human activities and feelings and relationship and interaction between neighbors and friends.......... emotions, suffering, sickness .....
Knowing this and knowing that stress is concomitant only if it is fed, then where's the problem?
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Old 13-07-2017, 06:23 AM
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In the context of this buddhist forum it is relevant only if there is stress or not. In the context of life in general dissatisfaction cannot arise when there is no stress. It is impossible to be dissatisfied when there is no stress.


yes but the question is whether he/she is willing to and what conditionings he/she is willing to stop or to feed.


Knowing this and knowing that stress is concomitant only if it is fed, then where's the problem?

You always give others wrong answers and lead to wrong direction in life. You don't understand the most important factors of life.
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Old 13-07-2017, 06:41 AM
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You may be misunderstanding both dependent origination and emptiness. Some people think accepting that we all get sick, hurt and die is focusing on the negative. Accepting reality isn't focusing on negative. They also apparently think we focus entirely on rebirth, which is an easy mistake to make, especially if your experience comes from pop culture.

The "existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence" doesn't even make sense to me.

The only thing I can think is that you are talking about the cycle of rebirth, that we are stuck being reborn again and again because we cling to life/existence. Which in a way isn't entirely incorrect, but yeah, major misunderstanding and leaving out some very big parts of those teachings.


Not all Buddhist traditions believe in rebirth which complicates things even more
Some Zen traditions believe that rebirth happens from moment to moment.
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Old 13-07-2017, 07:27 AM
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You always give others wrong answers and lead to wrong direction in life. You don't understand the most important factors of life.
My answers do not meet the expectations of speculative believers but that does not make them wrong. The most important factors of life are those that are directly perceptible because there are no other factors.
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Old 13-07-2017, 07:46 AM
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My answers do not meet the expectations of speculative believers but that does not make them wrong. The most important factors of life are those that are directly perceptible because there are no other factors.

What about hunger, sickness, property, bullied by others, hot temper, no shielder to live or stay, handicap ........ All suffering you only said, stress. You know, what stress mean?
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What about hunger, sickness, property,
All this is directly perceptible.

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bullied by others,
What is directly perceptible is visible and audible activity or - in case of e.g. beating - physically perceptible activity of others and one's own emotional response to that.

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hot temper, no shielder to live or stay, handicap
All this is directly perceptible.

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........ All suffering you only said, stress. You know, what stress mean?
'Stress' is the translation of 'dukkha'. Even if there may be what the world knows as 'physical suffering' there may be 'physical suffering' with stress or 'physical suffering' without stress.
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