Lotta crazy people in the spirituality field

[CrystalSong]

A seed in earths womb bursting open and it's little white shoot wiggling up through the soil to the light and pocking out this skinny fragile white thing, soaking up rays to create it's green shoot - the first clue to what it might become - looks pretty crazy and strange during most of it's birthing process underground.

I see both the weird little white shoot in the darkness trying to Become, and the plant in flower it will become in the Sun's Love.

Birthing is Awkward and looks messy, but holds such incredible potential :)

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Marie

I think that if you havent experienced any hardship in life you tend to go with theprogramming, and never question or think deeper. It might have alot to do with it.
Then, i think it might be easy to sound like youve lost your self..or, it might even be that some things are not that healthy in the spiritual world or, to some ..depending on what theyve been through..

I can definitely see that. I guess it's one of those "which came first, the chicken or the egg" things.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Lurking in the depths of the ocean are some beautifully transparent creatures that seem to be blissfully floating through the deep dark waters ever so gracefully, with an amazingly bright glowing lighted body in fact..



Ah.... Nature has a way to open us in how we choose to feel and see the creatures of the deep.

The angler fish is often called the devil of the deep XD

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Gemcrusader

Have only read a bit of the post but Y E S! Y E S! Y E S!

They lost it and now their ego is playin HUGE tricks on them, because HEY IM SO SPIRITUal, i dont have an ego! Now, the funny thing is without an ego u actually are insane because ego is linked to ur common sense. However, discarding the ego doesnt mean u dont have one.
I saw a comment on fb yesterday where one said: i dont have an ego, hope to never get one either.
Thats basicly a brag WHICH IS (hidden) EGO! etc etc.. :p

Now i must say, on here peeps are pretty objective and what not without going bunkers. Though i also like crazy in a sense since it can give much colour and what not. (laughter) which lacks quite a bit here... :p Commonly spoken its too serious here really :p

I like this forum too. I have seen many people who are extremely spiritually developed, and only a few who I feel are loose at the seems.

The places that I tend to see a LOTT of lost souls are at music festivals and other places that people who do a lot of LSD and psychedelics go.

I'm not afraid to say I've done a lot of LSD either, haha, and I'm also someone who has battled mental demons for a long time. I can see in others what is inside me. On a very material and egoic level I see the problems I spoke of. When I go deep I see the mystery. However it's a mystery.... I don't see much reason in constantly being in awe of the mystery. I do see a lot of reason for staying in an egoic state of mind though.

I think not wanting to be in constant awe can be seen as a strength somehow. If my ego is the one who wants to be self-centered, and if I can constantly be in bliss but I don't care to, it must mean I'm not super egoic.
On the other hand, I may be detatching too much. After all bliss is the best thing I've ever experienced before, what could it hurt to indulge a little more than I currently do? I guess I just see bliss as a drug, and what I know of drugs is the stronger their positive high the stronger their addictions.

[neemish]

I found your post quite interesting...It seems there are many beings on this planet that are searching for spiritual insight and knowledge...Even the crazy ones...hahaha Knowledge and truth are seemingly hard to find...Experience is the best teacher...And a good teacher is very hard to find...The best teacher is one whom has completed the kundalini process and understands not only that but the spiritual aspect concerning fulfillment of the promises in the end times carried down from the records of the "Jews"...It covers the Jews and the grafted branch the "Gentiles" in the end times...written in the first three pages of Revelations...Both sides of the double edged sword placed before the entrance to the garden...the spirit world.. neemish

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Jyotir

Hi shivatar,

Your diving into the pool analogy is quite apt, as initiations require receiving energy first (diving in the pool) - and then learning how to swim, so to speak.

When new energy floods the being in these initiations, this can exacerbate 'imbalances' or deficiencies - or illumine faults in desire, including karma now manifesting. It's part of the process to sort out and 'manage' the energy, the light, etc. on the way. It's the evolutionary wisdom of self-discovery.

Of course, as part of that process, some deliberately invoke these energies quite powerfully - inappropriately - and then they receive way beyond what they can handle. It's like a 10 year old boy wishing for - and getting - a Formula 1 racing car for his birthday, before even test driving a go-cart. So be careful what you wish for.

The best/wisest thing is to humbly ask for preparation, forgiveness*, necessary qualities, etc., e.g., for God to decide what is necessary and not necessary - what to get....and not get. And then be patient and receptive.

But many think they know better. For instance, they are attracted to power, without examining their faults, capacities, or willingness.

This is why we often see these disturbances and imbalances in novice aspirants.

Meanwhile what passes for 'sanity' in conventional terms is questionable in that it isn't even seen as problematic, but rather, 'normal' and even desirable.

* which can serve to can mitigate or remove the 'results' of previous 'bad' decisions.

~ J

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience.

My first initiation was divine. it was like nothing I've experienced before or after, divine is the only word I have for it. Euphoric, blissful, ecstatic, all very apt descriptions.

After it began to fade/become integrated, I began to really hunger for it. I basically asked for a formula 1 car when I was barely ready for a mustang.

In hindsight I can also see how the defiiences I noticed were among the novices. I forgot about how I used to avoid teachers and other masters because they would make me realize the progression level I was at. They were a mirror, one I didn't want to see, so a lot of my original dogmas about new age spirituality were based off the novice crowd not the masters.

In the years since my journey began I have become more experienced at spotting a master, and more humble so I can accept their teachings.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by lemex

There is another consideration that can be seen about this thought. In another time.

A spiritual teacher might see this from a perspective that is different. Of course I've had the same thoughts but at the same time the thoughts have changed. The thoughts are not the same.

Isn't this how it's suppose to be anyway, for people to be set free. Do we hold to a stereotype of teachers they are not allowed to ever have sinned so to speak, from that place we speak of. They have experience of knowledge that is not empty and learned to let go of that emotion (attachment).

Doesn't spiritual practice mean helping others! What is the perspective. Are you a teacher? If one isn't a teacher then of what relevance is speaking for them? Maybe the numbers have us in awe, where we say....impossible. We never use to talk about this kind of thing in religious circles for sure. I think we have learned psychology provides many answers spirituality never use to speak of. The inner child, the self and how fragile we were and are. Many times we do get spiritually burned out to and overwhelmed, or reach that spiritual plateau. If one does, it's time to rest and know, it will pass.

Helping others is a spiritual practice. Spiritual practice does not mean helping others. Spiritual practice can have many definitions, some say "connecting to a higher power" or "getting in touch with the deepest self, the soul". etc.

We are all teachers and all students. If you are asking my popularity, I am not a popular teacher and don't teach many. I don't take on disciplies or do long term teaching if that's what you mean. If a situation would be bettered by my spiritual advice then I give it. However I rarely get those situations anymore. Part of the reason for that is I don't seek spiritual crowds or places to share knowledge, well not in person haha, I'm clearly doing it by coming to spiritualforums though.

I understand that religions of the past traditionally didn't delve so deeply into why a person had pain, but I also feel that caused them to be much more distant to the people they were trying to help.

An old priest wouldn't say "I'm here for you, I'm sorry you've had to go through so much pain in life". Instead they would hold someone at arms length and say "God sees, God knows, God feels for you".

Well nobody can see God! I think the added depth of knowledge that comes from modern psychology helps to deepen the personal bond between spiritual seeker and teacher, between student and master, healer and healed. it brings A LOT more pain. But perhaps it's like spiritual weight lifting. incarnating in this time allows us to face a much more greater deal of pain, and if karma can be subsituted for the word pain, then by being empowered to face more of our pain we are correcting more karma than we could if we were born in.. say maybe 1200's. A time traditionally understood as devoid of healing and spiritual growth (it was a time of spiritual oppression, the dark ages).

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

A seed in earths womb bursting open and it's little white shoot wiggling up through the soil to the light and pocking out this skinny fragile white thing, soaking up rays to create it's green shoot - the first clue to what it might become - looks pretty crazy and strange during most of it's birthing process underground.

I see both the weird little white shoot in the darkness trying to Become, and the plant in flower it will become in the Sun's Love.

Birthing is Awkward and looks messy, but holds such incredible potential :)

Wow. that is powerful stuff ^_^

Thank you for sharing. I guess it's the immature part of me that still complains about the messiness of "birthing", or should we say "rebirthing" lol.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by neemish

I found your post quite interesting...It seems there are many beings on this planet that are searching for spiritual insight and knowledge...Even the crazy ones...hahaha Knowledge and truth are seemingly hard to find...Experience is the best teacher...And a good teacher is very hard to find...The best teacher is one whom has completed the kundalini process and understands not only that but the spiritual aspect concerning fulfillment of the promises in the end times carried down from the records of the "Jews"...It covers the Jews and the grafted branch the "Gentiles" in the end times...written in the first three pages of Revelations...Both sides of the double edged sword placed before the entrance to the garden...the spirit world.. neemish

What fulfillment of the promises?

You spoke a little about a double edged sword, a garden, the spirit world, etc. Could you further explain what you were mentioning in the last few sentences?

[Shivani Devi]

All over the web there's a lot of spiritual information, misinformation, gurus, wise people, nutters, crackpots and generally, if you ask for it, it's out there. Some of the stuff is just plain weird...but there are people who will believe it, albeit gullible people (we think).

Those who have had traumatic experiences in life are often those who search for a deeper meaning to them or tend to ask the question; 'surely this cannot be what life is all about?...gimme something better' and their search for meaning can take them from Zen Buddhism to Atlantean lizard-people without anything much in between.

Then there are those we come across though and have to say 'woah...is that dude for real?' but who are we to judge it, even though it seems totally ridiculous (to us)?

The trick here is using our discernment and discretion. Sometimes (often) I need to sift through pages and pages of carp to get one sentence of pure gold...at other times, I visit the Christian forum if I am in need of a good laugh.

On here, the truly wise/enlightened among the folk only visit SF once in a few months, post a sentence or two on a specific thread and then vanish again before you can say "hey, I wanna talk to you!"

So, we each have our own 'spiritual filters' that separate the 'real stuff' from all the rubbish, but what may be rubbish to one would be a gem to another at a different vibration or stage of personal growth.