If consciousness was proven to be created by the brain...??

[metal68]

This would be a hammer blow for survival hopes, would it not??

I kind of dread this happening somehow. How then could a mind generated by a living brain, continue existence without one??

[Rokon]

Originally Posted by metal68

If consciousness was proven to be created by the brain...??

Do you mean science proving it?
It'll never happen in my life nor in my children's lifetime. The fortress of philosophical materialism that consciousness studies is hiding in will never allow it.

[knightofalbion]

NDE's and communications from the Other Side prove the very opposite to be true

[Tobi]

Take a look at this. It may shock you:

https://www.newscientist.com/article...hocks-doctors/

If 'consciousness' were solely a product of a 'normal' brain development, then this should not be possible. (After all, significant brain damage does usually produce tremendous effects.)
Granted -there may be a scientific explanation for this, which scientists are so far baffled about...or there may be other factors beyond the brain itself, which are responsible.

I have recently heard of another case, but have to track it down.

Personally I have no argument with the idea that the brain is a receptor -albeit in rather a limited way -of consciousness, rather than the generator of it. My own conviction comes from out of body experiences. But unfortunately they are not proof to anyone but myself. And science is undecided as yet about the origin of such phenomena. Of course that makes no difference to those who experience it! LOL

[wolfgaze]

The brain isn't even the first organ to develop within a human embryo - the HEART is....



Scientists/Doctors will never be able to prove that the biological brain is the source of consciousness... Trying to reduce consciousness down to unconscious 'component parts' will never explain the phenomenon of consciousness itself... Consciousness must come first...

[SemperVI]

I am of the belief the brain is more of an antenna or receiver than it is tissue that manifest consciousness from a concoction of Glutamate & GABA, Serotonin, Dopamine, Endorphins and Noradrenaline... This idea just seems silly to me.

More to the point - I would not fret to much over it. If consciousness merely is a figment of illusion and imagination - you won't have any regrets believing otherwise and you will enjoy a more meaningful life despite what the illusion is.

[metal68]

Its a strange one because the brain could be manufacturing the NDE/OBE/Mediumship experiences to be so utterly convincing they really appeal to be real but they still could be nothing more. There are plenty of OBE practitioners & astral projecters who are adamant that it is just imagination and all the entities incl deceased loved ones are just figments of the mind

Id love there to be a spiritual world but I don't trust the brain; I fear it!! It could be responsible for creating false hopes and we are unable to tell otherwise!

We really do need to record something either video or audio that confirms something external to just personal observation ie a ghost on film. I personally don't think we have yet to take a single photograph of the supernatural

EVIL BRAIN!!!!

[metal68]

Another thing is if we are separate from the brain then where is the transmission coming from and who is transmitting it. have we been around forever?

The big thing for me is when we go into really deep sleep we don't dream do we so consciousness is absent. Where does it go? It just ceases doesn't it so why would it differ at death?

[SemperVI]

Originally Posted by metal68

Its a strange one because the brain could be manufacturing the NDE/OBE/Mediumship experiences to be so utterly convincing they really appeal to be real but they still could be nothing more.

Perhaps - but consider this. millions of people have had these experiences throughout the ages of man with similarities. I can't see how conjecture - which is what your implying has more validity than the countless experiences others encountered. It is not is not a reasonable hypothesis for one reason - it is not based on any evidence other than a distrust of what others have said. Science certainly can't explain consciousness - it never has figured it out and I doubt it ever will. Science is tool best used in a physical world of mass, space and time.

Originally Posted by metal68

There are plenty of OBE practitioners & astral projecters who are adamant that it is just imagination and all the entities incl deceased loved ones are just figments of the mind

I can't say I have heard this before but I suppose they are out there. In any case - it is still conjecture. Today we have no real way of having a definitive answer to this question. It is a question humanity has been trying to figure out from the beginning.

Originally Posted by metal68

Id love there to be a spiritual world but I don't trust the brain; I fear it!! It could be responsible for creating false hopes and we are unable to tell otherwise!

Faith is not false hope.... False hope is fear in no hope at all

Originally Posted by metal68

We really do need to record something either video or audio that confirms something external to just personal observation ie a ghost on film. I personally don't think we have yet to take a single photograph of the supernatural

Pictures, videos, audio... These are all mediums that can and are manipulated everyday. These pictures as you describe are not something the spiritual mind needs to see. Even if we had them - I believe most would suspect something suspicious.



From a spiritual perspective - it is not about the evidence - the evidence is irrelevant. It is plainly about the life experience you enjoy and the faith you have in this emotional journey we are all experiencing. As I previously stated -- when this life is over. If there is no after experience. You will never know it, but if there is - as I believe. Well - that changes everything and the question becomes irrelevant.

[Howla Dark]

Originally Posted by metal68

Another thing is if we are separate from the brain then where is the transmission coming from and who is transmitting it. have we been around forever?

The big thing for me is when we go into really deep sleep we don't dream do we so consciousness is absent. Where does it go? It just ceases doesn't it so why would it differ at death?

The brain is an organ. Consiousness doesn't live in the brain, it moves freely throughout our bodies and also lives within places, objects and in the atmosphere.

You must think that when we're asleep we;re all dreaming inside the brain. No. We go to other dimensions and worlds when we dream. We can also dream of being on the actual world and there are stories of people seeing someone who was really asleep at home in bed.