Arguments for and against Wicca

[norseman]

Part of the Wiccan Credo is the Law of the Three-Fold Return.

"Mind the Threefold Law you should,
Three times bad and three times good."

And this derives from the pagan notion of The Weaver goddess, Arianrhod, who spins the thread of being and weaves the web which connects all life together. Your actions are amplified by the Web and returned to you threefold. You are the agent of your own fate i.e. karma.

Originally Posted by norseman

Part of the Wiccan Credo is the Law of the Three-Fold Return.

"Mind the Threefold Law you should,
Three times bad and three times good."

And this derives from the pagan notion of The Weaver goddess, Arianrhod, who spins the thread of being and weaves the web which connects all life together. Your actions are amplified by the Web and returned to you threefold. You are the agent of your own fate i.e. karma.

The wiccan credo is not holy...

Originally Posted by norseman

Part of the Wiccan Credo is the Law of the Three-Fold Return.

"Mind the Threefold Law you should,
Three times bad and three times good."

And this derives from the pagan notion of The Weaver goddess, Arianrhod, who spins the thread of being and weaves the web which connects all life together. Your actions are amplified by the Web and returned to you threefold. You are the agent of your own fate i.e. karma.

not really I believe gardner just added it. you can connect something to anything given half the chance. 3x3 is just a Garald Gardner rede.
I mean we could tie this to the 3 fates or trinity or Goddess.
But nowhere in Witchcraft is there a 3fold law just intent and purpose. rest is man made.

Originally Posted by Chrode

Karma is not mention in the Charges and therefor i don't think that all wiccans believe in that. Btw if Wicca is not fear based... Why worship the lord and lady? Why follow the laws? What is the meaning of the life?

Wicca doesnt believe in a hell Lord and Lady is dietys of power to be worshiped only by those who choose. I am not Wiccan but a 3 fold law is a Kharmic law as apposed to a fire and brimstone hell law. dont you think?

Originally Posted by Occultist

Wicca doesnt believe in a hell Lord and Lady is dietys of power to be worshiped only by those who choose. I am not Wiccan but a 3 fold law is a Kharmic law as apposed to a fire and brimstone hell law. dont you think?

A punishment from the devine dos not have to be the hell like in Christianity.
It can be other things.

What bothers me most about Gardnerian Wicca is its faux history, coupled with its obvious (but unacknowledged) "borrowings" from the Golden Dawn, Thelema, and Freemasonry.

Plus, in spite of being often regarded as a feminist religion, it very much perpetuates traditional gender roles in how it defines masculinity and femininity.

[norseman]

"borrowings" from the Golden Dawn, Thelema, and Freemasonry."

And the rest ! There is some valid history in the craft core.

[norseman]

Originally Posted by Occultist

not really I believe gardner just added it. you can connect something to anything given half the chance. 3x3 is just a Garald Gardner rede.
I mean we could tie this to the 3 fates or trinity or Goddess.
But nowhere in Witchcraft is there a 3fold law just intent and purpose. rest is man made.

"And this derives from the pagan notion of The Weaver goddess, Arianrhod, who spins the thread of being and weaves the web which connects all life together. Your actions are amplified by the Web and returned to you threefold." This is part of Welsh Celtic Mythology.

[Wolfe of Wildwood]

Originally Posted by Chrode

Karma is not mention in the Charges and therefor i don't think that all wiccans believe in that. Btw if Wicca is not fear based... Why worship the lord and lady? Why follow the laws? What is the meaning of the life?

If you follow the lord and lady out of fear they won't thank you for it. In Wicca you are meant to follow them out of love, it's a lot like family dynamics. If you listen to your parents out of fear, than you are not going to have a good relationship with them, but rather a perverse version of what a family is supposed to be. On the other hand, if you listen to your parents out of love and because you trust them, then you have a true relationship with them. NO real relationships were ever built on fear, and the same holds true for the relationship a wiccan holds with the lord and lady.

Originally Posted by norseman

"borrowings" from the Golden Dawn, Thelema, and Freemasonry."

And the rest ! There is some valid history in the craft core.

I don't mind so much that Gardner collected ideas from various sources and combined them into something new. What I do mind is not giving credit to your sources, and pretending that it's all been part of your own system to begin with.
Pretending to be a secret stone age religion doesn't exactly help, either.