Is karma only part of duality? Or a Universal Law?

[Unseeking Seeker]

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@ Miss H ... I thought it was clear. When we are identified with mind body as representing who we think we are, this delusion or the ego being manifest compels us to engage in thought, word & deed following ego’s cravings. This creates karma.

On the other hand, if the ego is not, all that remains is our presence in sync with the divine love vibration. We have no fear, no desire, no agenda as in an identity self actualising something for its own gain. A non-doer. Then there is no karma.

We yet have to deal with past karma however.

About us as a non-doer ... in resonance with love, it no longer matters what happens for we seek no reward nor flinch from pain if it comes our way. We simply play the cards as they fall, so to speak, without predicting outcomes. We recognise love as the only real vibration under all circumstances.

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[zorkchop]

Miss Hepburn . . .

Karma is action / reaction . . . cause and effect . . . retribution and justice . . . whatever one wishes to call it. It does assist in understanding the ways and means of the lower psychic worlds . . . the physical, astral, causal, mental, and etheric . . . and it does help us grow by learning our own personal responsibilities within these worlds . . . on all psychic levels from physical to mental / etheric. It is part of a greater Law of these Universes . . . the Law of Vibration . . . which in the respect of karma would be inflow and outflow. In a sense . . . yes . . . I guess one could deem it to be evolutionary.

Even a true Master on this plane is subject to karma. Obviously by the time one is a true Master he knows about karma and how to sidestep it, not incur the negative aspects of it, or balance it out with positive actions.

Without karma and reincarnation . . . there would be no lower psychic world school. We get back what we put out . . . on all levels. How much more simple can it get? How else are we to learn to be responsible for EVERY action . . . one way or another.

But looking at the responses . . . this is yet another example of how spun and tweaked the understanding of simple cause and effect can become . . . what’s “involved” in and with it, etc. The mind will slurp up just about anything that sounds intriguing . . . and juggle it all to keep itself amused. Get the definition of “ego” involved and “duality” involved and “universal” involved and “illusion” involved and “vaporizing” this-and-that” involved . . . how can anyone come to terms with simple cause-and-effect?

Yes . . . it can be done.

It is the untangling of it all . . . and the sorting it all out into a single understanding of LIFE as the Whole that IT is . . . that is the Path. Again . . . it is more a question of fine-tuning, letting go, and simplifying all the bells and whistles and mental fluff than the learning of anything “new.”

But I have always been intrigued by your consistent and constant reference to all of us being ONE. I understand the Unity of LIFE . . . but if you wouldn’t mind . . . we are all ONE . . . what? And how does your perception of “We are all ONE . . . “ assist and comfort you in your understanding of the Whole of Life?

To any and all . . . please disregard anything I’ve said here if it goes against your sensibilities.

[Miss Hepburn]

Thank you, UnseekingSeeker.
zorkchop, very good input, thank you.

This 'Being One', part of the One, being extensions of the One,
the One Consciousness within all is like seeing something ya can't un-see.

If someone hasn't seen or experienced it - it's just some concept...I get that.
Same thing with this place being an Illusion, some say, "Huh?"

They aren't concepts for me - since I was 8 yrs old on.
Does it comfort me - well, sure - helps not to get caught up in this place and also to be kinder
since whatever I do I'm doing it to myself. (That's not some idea I read from a book.)

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

So, If all is One, would karma still apply to the One?

Karma being: *What goes around comes around -
*what we put out, we attract to us...
*what we sow we reap....not the reincarnation part of it.

I mean just in this life right now?
Like: If I steal...will I get stolen from?
If I dwell in fear of being robbed - will I draw a robber to me?
Does our belief or disbelief in karma or sowing, and thus, reaping -make a difference?
Does it exist regardless if we poo-poo it? (As some people think here?)

Thanks in advance for your discussions and ideas.

Karma is simply identification with cause and effect. It's really not happening to anyone although its seems that way for both victim and perpetrator within the ego.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Karma is simply identification with cause and effect. It's really not happening to
anyone although its seems that way for both victim and perpetrator within the ego.

Good one.
People really have so much to say about this. Very insightful.

[zorkchop]

Miss Hepburn . . .

I figured most of my question would be answered when the semantics were straightened out . . . and that turns out to be true. In the far reaches of the Path . . . “consciousness” is understood and accepted as just IS. It is an existence that simply IS . . . and little more. Everything that exists does so within consciousness. Trees, rocks, reptiles, humans, aliens, and other worldly / dimensional entities exist within this Consciousness. We each simply take from it what we wish to apply and live within during each lifetime . . . building anew upon the old.

Whether someone has or has not experienced consciousness matters not. Consciousness . . . and Truth . . . prevails regardless. One cannot NOT experience consciousness. Even the human state of being un-conscious is a state of consciousness. The mind often designs definitions to allow for just about anything one wishes to focus on . . . or find an excuse / rationalization / justification for. No doubt . . . the mind is VERY good at what it does.

What makes up consciousness . . . IT’s role in the scheme of LIFE . . . IT’s purpose . . . the part Soul plays in IT all . . . these and many more are very intriguing discoveries . . . and make perfect sense . . . even “almost” from a mental point of view when mind learns to get out of its own way and allow for the understanding of LIFE from a much larger picture. Interestingly enough . . . it is Soul that guides mind to such discovery and acceptance. It takes forever.

So yes . . . Consciousness could be designated as “One” . . . since there is nothing else in that aspect of LIFE . . . but again personally speaking . . . I tend to accept it as an Existence in and of IT-self . . . which just IS . . . and I try not to even limit it with the word . . . “One.” Limiting it to a word such as “Existence” is tedious enough . . . but . . . we gotta communicate with what we have. To accept IT as something that just IS . . . tends to freak the ind out . . . because the mind brings all around to its mental understanding using labels, definitions, categories, MEST, etc.

Lastly . . . karma apples to all the psychic worlds but there is no karma beyond the Soul Plane and above. If someone has attained that level . . . but is continuing their “education” in these lower worlds . . . karma does indeed apply. That individual would not have been able to attain that level of awareness without knowing the place of karma in the scheme of Life . . . and how to deal with it. There is cause and effect . . . and balance . . . to all things within these psychic worlds.

In any event . . . all is well.

[inavalan]

Browsing forums, not only this one, I'm fascinated by people's capacity of taking ideas and concepts form various sources, making those their own, then regurgitating them with the conviction they know the truth.

In actuality, even first-hand experiences are distorted by our beliefs, biases and limitations.

PS: Not pointing any fingers ...

[sea-dove]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

So, If all is One, would karma still apply to the One?

Karma being: *What goes around comes around -
*what we put out, we attract to us...
*what we sow we reap....not the reincarnation part of it.

I mean just in this life right now?
Like: If I steal...will I get stolen from?
If I dwell in fear of being robbed - will I draw a robber to me?
Does our belief or disbelief in karma or sowing, and thus, reaping -make a difference?
Does it exist regardless if we poo-poo it? (As some people think here?)

Thanks in advance for your discussions and ideas.

The karma doesn't necessarily come back in exactly the same way.. if you steal you have created a loss for another and possibly hardship too. The karma may come back to you in a different way eg you could loose your job and experience the loss and hardship that way instead of another stealing from you. I guess that is why some find karmic consequences at times not easy to see.

It doesn't matter if someone believes in karma or not as negative actions will attract negativity back be in in this life or another. (dont think of karma just as being negative as there is positive karma which can be created too). Time doesnt exist to the soul so restricting the karma to one lifetime .. well it just doesn't work like that, so one can't think about karma without thinking about possible consequences to other lives too or those possibly impacting on us right now.

If one fears being robbed, yes you may draw the robber to you. There isn't just one universal law happening so those others such as LOA with ones thoughts are also affecting us too. So if things are going wrong in ones life.. one needs to consider all those things. I suppose if one is neutralizing ones good karma this life by negative thinking.. I suppose that would cause it then to be manifesting instead in ones next life. There is always a balance to things. Next time you get "just lucky" with something, know that you have created that for yourself at some point. Things can start to make more sense once we start being aware of past lives and our past doings. Things we were associated with in the past, often come up again to be dealt with, these may be people, entities or similar situations.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Another way to put it could be that karma continues to impact us until we learn to resolve all conflicts and correct all misalignments by Love alone.

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[sea-dove]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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@ Miss H ... I thought it was clear. When we are identified with mind body as representing who we think we are, this delusion or the ego being manifest compels us to engage in thought, word & deed following ego’s cravings. This creates karma.

On the other hand, if the ego is not, all that remains is our presence in sync with the divine love vibration. We have no fear, no desire, no agenda as in an identity self actualising something for its own gain. A non-doer. Then there is no karma.

We yet have to deal with past karma however.

About us as a non-doer ... in resonance with love, it no longer matters what happens for we seek no reward nor flinch from pain if it comes our way. We simply play the cards as they fall, so to speak, without predicting outcomes. We recognize love as the only real vibration under all circumstances.

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I liked your post as that is something I've experienced.

I was in a situation where I'd accidentally taken a park someone else was waiting for (I just didn't see that he was waiting). I wasn't able to back back out and give it to him as the guy went immediately into road rage and came at my car with his so aggressively that he almost skidded right into it (it stopped the skid only cms from mine)

He then jumped out of his car (he was so enraged that he left his car actually blocking the lane of the very busy road not caring if the police saw his car there) and came at me.

He was so angry that I believe that if I wound the window up to try to talk to him through that that he would of actually smashed through the window.

Instead of fighting this situation which would of fueled it, I only had one option, faith, love, trust that "whatever" happened was supposed to be. I decided I'd love this guy with all my being even if it meant he may beat me up. It just did not matter to me what this guy did, if he was going to hit me.. oh well it didnt matter at all. If that happened it was simply going to be a case of just how it was. I had dropped all ego completely and just was in a pure state.

He got to my door and raised his fist to punch me in the head through the open window but on seeing my eyes as he did that which had no fear in them but which were not evoking any kind of negative feeling from him (I simply looked at him with kindness and query in my eyes (a simple curiosity of what he was about to do to me).. he completely deflated. I've never seen anyone drop in the manner he did before in a just a split second of time. It was like he'd just been kicked or something., he just slumped on the spot.

I calmly then apologized to him telling I was really sorry that I had not seen him waiting for the park. He then started profusely apologizing to me and told me he'd had a very terrible day and that he was sorry that he'd been able to take it out on me (his whole heart was in his apology, if there was a flower seller about I think he would of gone and brought me flowers at point, he now wanted me to keep the parking spot). It was an interesting situation but it showed me the power of that pure state.. no ego when one is just in love and would welcome any action which occurs no matter what that action is (state of no expection).