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30-06-2020, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
What do you mean? I shouldn't have stated my opinion ... ?
What does it mean "project our solutions onto others"? Stating an opinion? Giving advice?
What conditioning are you talking about there?
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When we feel our opinions apply to others rather than just ourselves. |
30-06-2020, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Iamit
When we feel our opinions apply to others rather than just ourselves.
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I believe you misunderstood my post.
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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01-07-2020, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Iamit
One clue that there ls still conditioning to be dealt with is when we project our solutions onto others:)
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01-07-2020, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
Lucid Dreaming = waking consciousness within dreaming reality.
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Being conscious that 'you' are dreaming is like being conscious that 'you' are living. It is just a matter of 'seeing' what's happening from a 'transcendental' perspective. The soul is capable of OOBEing all over the place - just that it generally resides 'in' a body while focused 'here' - but, as NDE experiences often indicate, that is not the only 'perspective' it is capable of 'adopting'.
'Consciousness' is always 'waking'. Any other 'awareness' is unconscious (or subconscious, or super conscious, or whatever). |
01-07-2020, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by davidsun
Being conscious that 'you' are dreaming is like being conscious that 'you' are living. It is just a matter of 'seeing' what's happening from a 'transcendental' perspective. The soul is capable of OOBEing all over the place - just that it generally resides 'in' a body while focused 'here' - but, as NDE experiences often indicate, that is not the only 'perspective' it is capable of 'adopting'.
'Consciousness' is always 'waking'. Any other 'awareness' is unconscious (or subconscious, or super conscious, or whatever).
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P.S. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that 'lucid dreams' were your spirit guide's of showing/teaching you that your soul exists aside from (i.e. 'out' of the 'confines') of your 'normally' perceived life. Having one realize one's own 'lucidity' 'out of' the 'confines' of one's 'dream' may(?) be one's guide's way of 'teaching' one something by way of 'illustration'. (I have had such dreams myself, a while ago now they were.) |
01-07-2020, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by davidsun
Being conscious that 'you' are dreaming is like being conscious that 'you' are living. It is just a matter of 'seeing' what's happening from a 'transcendental' perspective. The soul is capable of OOBEing all over the place - just that it generally resides 'in' a body while focused 'here' - but, as NDE experiences often indicate, that is not the only 'perspective' it is capable of 'adopting'.
'Consciousness' is always 'waking'. Any other 'awareness' is unconscious (or subconscious, or super conscious, or whatever).
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Good !
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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01-07-2020, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by davidsun
P.S. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that 'lucid dreams' were your spirit guide's of showing/teaching you that your soul exists aside from (i.e. 'out' of the 'confines') of your 'normally' perceived life. Having one realize one's own 'lucidity' 'out of' the 'confines' of one's 'dream' may(?) be one's guide's way of 'teaching' one something by way of 'illustration'. (I have had such dreams myself, a while ago now they were.)
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This too !
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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01-07-2020, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
I believe you misunderstood my post.
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Good. Glad to hear that you were not suggesting your solutions apply to others. |
01-07-2020, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Iamit
Good. Glad to hear that you were not suggesting your solutions apply to others.
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It's easy to draw incorrect conclusions on these forums ...
If you read my posts, one central point of my view is that nobody should follow any guru or dogma. Even more, everybody should leave aside all their beliefs and expectations when they dive into inner / psychological experiences, and shouldn't rationalize whatever they learn there.
I haven't read enough of your posts to form an opinion, neither here nor on other forums, but I believe you wrote about "practising", which I infer to be the result of external conditioning. You probably didn't devise that practice yourself, and were / are expecting to find something there as per what you were told. I don't do that.
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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01-07-2020, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
It's easy to draw incorrect conclusions on these forums ...
If you read my posts, one central point of my view is that nobody should follow any guru or dogma. Even more, everybody should leave aside all their beliefs and expectations when they dive into inner / psychological experiences, and shouldn't rationalize whatever they learn there.
I haven't read enough of your posts to form an opinion, neither here nor on other forums, but I believe you wrote about "practising", which I infer to be the result of external conditioning. You probably didn't devise that practice yourself, and were / are expecting to find something there as per what you were told. I don't do that.
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You can tell when conditioning is still operating because there is a lack of respect for individual differences. Including the difference that some may wish to follow a guru or dogma.
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