Truth being personal

[Moonglow]

Hello,

Was reflecting upon truth. So going with some thoughts upon this.

Seen threads on it, debates about it, and reflections upon it.

What came to mind is that truth seems to be personal.
It appears in mind in relationship to what is understood, believed, makes sense, and/or resonates.

Sure, there are some truths in relationship to cause and effect. Such as if I touch something on fire, chances are will get burned.

More looking at what appears as personal
What comes to mind is what is found to be true with in.
What touches the spirit, heart, or brings spirit to mind.
Those truths that bring changes to life.
The truth found through experiences that may not always be able to explain or place in words.

Examples; a loved one visiting after he/she has departed from this realm
What may be felt from another without a word being spoken
Now I do understand the examples are some truths I hold and experience has brought such to me.

So, others hold truths as well.

So, wonder why the debates and conflicts, if truths lead to understanding and finding ways to connect? They can be what is shared or help find inner peace.

If not understood or experienced then is it meant for that person?

Now, if a truth is used/misused to gain control over another then is it a truth?

Find at times one has a truth to share and say and sometimes may be intimidated or shouted down (so to speak) to express it. Which reflects more upon the fear of one or group doing the shouting then upon the one speaking his/her truth.

Brings to mind; Speak your truth, even if your voice (or in this case, hands) shake.

What do you all think?

[FallingLeaves]

I'm not at all sure that my attempts at sharing the 'truth as I see it' have been particularly good for people. I wonder a lot who it benefits to be spouting the stuff I do, besides that I get to say what I want?

But All I can see is the way what I say will be thrown in my face later, to make me hurt. And I wonder, is this the way people see me when I'm spouting ideas? So I really commiserate with my earlier sentiment, to just shut up.

[Baile]

The mystical traditions identify truth as relative versus absolute. One could say personal truth is relative to the transient human experience. But take heart, this nutty and bizarre world of lies, fake news, and invent-your-own-truth is not the absolute (Spirit) reality lol.

[BlueSky]

The truth of the mind that identifies as a self is personal. Experience thru this filter is personal. We can work to see that and possibly let it go bit by bit.
Beyond that is beyond that.

[Moonglow]

Hello,

Thank you all for your truths /response.

It seems truth can be relative. What one experiences, where one is at, and perspectives upon life, the universe, and everything else.

Don't feel there has to be agreement all the time. For if there was seems we would be a bunch of bobble heads just nodding in agreement. Not much to learn or open up to in this regard, IMO.

Being open to other views has and does help me expand my own view upon life.

Yes, there are times when it seems wiser to remain silent. Guess depends upon how one may feel in regards to how others may respond or react. Is it worth the effort? Is there an agenda behind the words that is more about being right then about exchanging ideas, thoughts, experiences, and the like?

Being personal, feel that truths can be delicate and feelings/emotions can play into them. At times if held as a personal part of a person , then can understand if one may feel slighted if another attacks his/her belief and/or truth.

Guess, how it is expressed and accepted is in the approach.

[Moonglow]

Further thoughts.

When is truth impersonal? Or is it ever impersonal?

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Further thoughts.

When is truth impersonal? Or is it ever impersonal?

when you see the truth that good/evil dichotomy is an illusion; that all your seeking for something 'good' and all your avoiding of something 'evil' avails you nothing but a permanent end to your being and in the end you see that what you WANT isn't good for you the way everyone tells you it is... you might find the impersonal truth.

[Moonglow]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

when you see the truth that good/evil dichotomy is an illusion; that all your seeking for something 'good' and all your avoiding of something 'evil' avails you nothing but a permanent end to your being and in the end you see that what you WANT isn't good for you the way everyone tells you it is... you might find the impersonal truth.

Hi FallingLeaves,

An interesting take. Is it finding ones own truth and dropping what one is told is true, in a way leads to realizing an impersonal truth?

Taking on others opions or dictation which is done in telling as oppose to suggesting or sharing can come across as being personal. Judging oneself according to others or feeling judged.

These feelings seem to create a defensive atmosphere. Where as if I just simply recongnized it is his/her view point and not mine, then perhaps this helps soften the blow ( so to speak). In other word, I don't have to take it on.

Thank you

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Further thoughts.

When is truth impersonal? Or is it ever impersonal?

Impersonal truth: The mystical traditions identify truth as relative versus absolute.

Whereas peoples' feelings about the importance of their individual truth, is personal. That includes me as well. I have 4 great truths I believe in: eternal soul, reincarnation, karma, and Spirit. I've had experiential depth connections with three of those. But in the end, these are personal truths, and I do have feelings for them. And I am attached to them, no question. What I understand however, is they aren't important. They are transient understandings born of my physical existence. They will be Spirit dust when I am in Spirit again. And that is the absolute truth that I recognize and bow to, the one truth to rule them all!

[Moonglow]

Originally Posted by Baile

Impersonal truth: The mystical traditions identify truth as relative versus absolute.

Whereas peoples' feelings about the importance of their individual truth, is personal. That includes me as well. I have 4 great truths I believe in: eternal soul, reincarnation, karma, and Spirit. I've had experiential depth connections with three of those. But in the end, these are personal truths, and I do have feelings for them. And I am attached to them, no question. What I understand however, is they aren't important. They are transient understandings born of my physical existence. They will be Spirit dust when I am in Spirit again. And that is the absolute truth that I recognize and bow to, the one truth to rule them all!

Hi Baile,

Can relate in the sense that this physical existence and life is very personal
The one thing that has me pause a bit is; what involves me and what does not?

Yes, affected by what may occur around me, but is it all personal? Meaning does it occur because of me or it just is happening? Having it affect me seems to make it personal. Yes, when all said and done this will all pass.

Most I find is created in my mind as being true or not, but these change. What continues with or without this person seems to hold a truth that has very little to do with this guy.

I come to respect ones own truth and recognize that it can be very personal.
Delicate ground to walk at times.

I ask about truth being impersonal because at times feel what happens in life is not always a direct attack or assistance in and of itself. More how I adjust, understand, and relate to it, which creates a personal bond of sorts.

I tend to look at both sides, but helps widen the veiw when looking at others ways of viewing life.

Some reflection on this

Thank you